Out of Interest - How many musicians we got?

[Genevieve]

So do u recon that it would be possible to do a dubstep remix of a metal track?

And if so does anybody know of any that have been done already?

Not really dubstep, but dubstep influenced, by Venetian Snares did a tribute to uhhh Black Sabbath.

I'm sure it could be done. Try stuff like Acid Bath, the Melvins, slower Pig Destroyer stuff, maybe some of the slower Burzum stuff, Auotpsy's sludgey stuff. Sludge metal and sludge/doom works well as far as rhythm goes.

[s & m]

i play the drums a lot..that is my main instrument and i'm fairly good at them if i do say so! i also jam the guitar and the bass. but love for music led me to electronic composition because I have the whole band on my computer!

[stapleface]

love for music led me to electronic composition because I have the whole band on my computer!

^ ^ this was my original appeal

[oneliam]

Self taught guitar for 5 years. Can play keyboard well-ish...

[Genevieve]

Wouldn't call Korn metal.

they fall under one of the metal subgenres and they use heavy riffs (which was the point of my last post) so yeah they're pretty much metal

not particularly great but metal nonetheless

They're not great metal, or great anything, really. Their style is called 'nu-metal' which isn't metal as much as metal influenced, particularly, influenced by "groove metal" aka "post-thrash" which grew out of thrash and sludge metal in the early '90s, bands like Sepultura, Pantera, Machine Head and stuff played it. Anyway, some alternative rock bands started to get influenced by groove metal and the result was constant 7 string chugging and power chords.

Wolves in the Throne Room is metal, Ulver is metal, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T62Br1gWpbY]Dark Angel is metal. Korn is not.

I'm using metal as a catch-all word to describe nu-metal, doom metal, death metal, sludge metal, heavy metal, power metal, fantasy metal, groove metal, industrial metal, prog metal, and whatever else there is. They are catagorised by the fact they all have the word 'metal' in them. I didn't really need examples of some bands you like

But.. nu-metal isn't metal. Go to the metal-archives forum, ask those people if Korn is metal and no one will say it is. Nu-metal was a term made up by the mainstream media, who don't know shit about metal.

Death metal is a type of metal. Nu-metal isn't.

[legend4ry]

Nu metal days were fun though..

[stapleface]

is all about the Napalm Death
goin to see Lamb of God for Defenders of the Faith in February as well
THAT'S metal.

[Genevieve]

every genre name is a term made up by some form of media,

Nope (for example, hardcore punk, powerviolence, black metal aren't) . But besides that, radio rock magazines aren't really considered authorities on metal.

and it's roots are more obviously from metal than any other form of music, and it has metal in its name.

If you disregard early '90s funk rock.

For that reason I consider them a kind of metal.

Yes, 'kind of metal' isn't the same as metal. Black Flag was 'kind of metal', Drumcorps is 'kind of metal', Napalm Death's "Scum" is 'kind of metal.

And yeah I'm definitely not going to sign up to a metal forum and argue genre names just because I made a throwaway remark about Korn on a dubstep forum and somebody who it mattered to disagreed

The point was, if you'd ask the metal world as a whole, you'd get a big 'no'.

[djake]

i can play guitar

[duality]

Yeah I am a guitar teacher.
Some drums and some keys.
Been in a bunch of bands, still playing guitar and triggering electronics in one now, but dubstep is the main focus now!

[-drix-]

i can play the guitar, and bass guitar. i also taught myself to play the drums. dabbled a bit with a saxophone when i was younger as well

[freqone]

grade 8 from the RCM
-cello,piano & theory
have an acoustic side project where i am the lead vocalist.

[hackman]

played piano and violin for ten years, grade 8 on both, also play guitar as well

[jackieboi]

So do u recon that it would be possible to do a dubstep remix of a metal track?

And if so does anybody know of any that have been done already?

I'm starting work on a remix ep project of loadsa different shit - A Band i really like called One Minute Silence are getting abused in it Theyve got some fucking awesome riffs that are choking to get robbed!

[jbird22]

Safe jackieboi, cant wait 2 hear your new stuff. Might just try an do a metal

remix myself.

One minutes silence fukin rock!

[Genevieve]

Black, doom, power, so on so on, are also a 'kind of metal' that a lot of people just call metal, because they all come from a distinctive metal background. Same with nu-metal. 90s funk rock was an influence on the nu-metal scene, as were a thousand other styles. But the biggest influence, and the only one to be agreed on by all of the bands really, was heavy metal. The only reason to say death metal is metal and nu-metal isn't is because you don't like nu-metal.

That makes absolutely no sense at all, because by that logic, "metal" should be a way to measure inherent quality and I should like every metal band. Meanwhile, I've never heard any power metal I like and I can't stand At The Gates or Slayer: I'm not going to say that any of these aren't metal now.

Black metal isn't "kinda metal". It's a type of metal. It doesn't just incorporate metal influences, but it does metal a certain way.

All genre names get populated by media, mainstream or not, and "radio rock" magazines aren't the only form of musical media out there.

But they're not. I gave you examples of genres that had been around before the mainstream media got ahold of the term. For example, Eric Wood from Man is the Bastard came up with "powerviolence" on the song "H.S.M.P." and it was spread by zines of people who were apart of the scene itself. People who are in touch with the music.

This wasn't some random idiot from Rolling Stone magazine who doesn't know crap about the genre he/she's writing about ,calling everything from Gauze to Pennywise "powerviolence". Similarly, I don't trust Pitchfork to write a decent review about anything that isn't indie rock because they're clearly not that knowledgeable on anything that isn't indie rock.

I don't read them, my opinions on music come from my own analysis, and not through the "mainstream" you feel so threatened by. Hell, nu-metal has a significant mention on the heavy metal wikipedia page along with all the other subgenres, but I guess wikipedia is some mainstream sellout bullshit too??

I don't feel threatened by the mainstream, given that I love plenty of Kelly Clarkson and Kylie Minogue songs and Fiona Apple is one of my biggest influences as a musician, I just don't trust the writer of a big rock & roll magazine to know much about metal. Just as little as I trust an underground thrashcore zine to write a decent review of a mainstream pop record or like I don't trust someone who doesn't listen to any music released after '79 to write a decent review about a modern day hip-hop record.

Accepting that mainstream media is flawed and does things wrong doesn't mean that I am afraid of it. I didn't mention underground zines and my critique of them, either, so don't fill in blanks that you think should be filled. Read what I type, not what I don't type. Thanks.

And wikipedia is open source. Because the style is called "nu-metal" "nu-metal" and "metal" get a lot of google hits when used together and mainstream media outlets (who also have no idea what "emo" is and have used it wrongfully for various types of indie pop, punk-pop and post-hardcore) have used those terms interchangeably for a decade, so of course people are going to write about it. I had to remove "powerviolence" from the list of grindcore subgenres because when mainstream media outlets got a hold of the term "powerviolence" they called it a "subgenre of grindcore", meanwhile, powerviolence grew out of the fast straight edge styles in Los Angeles, influenced by the thrashcore that had been around earlier. When Eric Wood heard the originators of powerviolence, Infest, he was happy to hear an intense as fuck punk band that didn't sound like grindcore. But nope, some misguided, and sadly the most well published, sources claim powerviolence is actually grind so it was added.

I'm not a huge fan of a style myself (the metal I actually listen to you'd probably be okay with me calling it that), but I don't see how you can get so bogged over by the fact that I mention Korn when talking about metal and dubstep, since its relevant.

Bogged up? I mainly said that they're not metal so Korn would be a bad choice to compare dubstep and metal and Acid Bath was a better example, actually being, you know, metal and all.