If Pharrell hasn't been listening to dubstep

buckfaster · Post by **buckfaster** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:00 pm

It's possible he listens to it. Him and Chad came to a grime rave we held in Glasgow in December 06...

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boogiemeister · Post by **boogiemeister** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:32 pm

Ben Freeman wrote: Lil Wayne = fucking wack.

Ben Freeman wrote: Why is the cheap beat king these days? Someone please explain how mainstream hip hop tastes can go from amazing (89' -92' era +Wu Tang 36 Chambers) to ---"I wanna kill myself if I hear these wack beats anymore" (Lil wayne, soldier boy?)

all of this. I like some of Pharrell's/Neptunes' stuff, I'm pretty open to commercial Hip Hop as long as it sounds good to me but a lot of stuff coming out these days is insulting.

properauthority · Post by **properauthority** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:34 pm

Brockolio wrote:i think the tune is a step in the right direction for the US rap game, that is for sure.

imo a step in the right direction for the US rap game would be a step away from Lil' Wayne

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:52 pm

More palatable than a lot of wobble proper IMO.

I love how every hip hop video on youtube has a 5 page discussion under it about whether or not Lil Wayne raped Kool Herc.

optimum · Post by **optimum** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:06 pm

Everyone always moans about commercial stuff being crap but never really provide any decent explanations/examples. A lot of dubstep tunes are made quickly, so it seems it's not really a good basis for judging quality.

All of those 'mainstream' producers like Neptunes, Timbaland, Polow, The Dream, etc. etc. are easily as good as the so called 'golden era'.

whineo · Post by **whineo** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:10 pm

Ben Freeman wrote: Why is the cheap beat king these days? Someone please explain how mainstream hip hop tastes can go from amazing (89' -92' era +Wu Tang 36 Chambers) to ---"I wanna kill myself if I hear these wack beats anymore" (Lil wayne, soldier boy?)

Sampling laws probably

darkmatteruk · Post by **darkmatteruk** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:25 pm

properauthority wrote:
Brockolio wrote:i think the tune is a step in the right direction for the US rap game, that is for sure.
imo a step in the right direction for the US rap game would be a step away from Lil' Wayne

a step in the right direction for the US rap scene would be to just fuck off completly

it never really changes, its all "i'll shoot you, i'll stab you i'll shoot you, i'll stab you ill shoot you, i'll stab you, money cash hoes money cash hoes... i'll shoot you, i'll stab you........... and then i'll rob you coz im the greatest"

sorry if these words offend any rap lovers in here, but thats all i seem to be hearing when im unfortunate enough to be anywhere near someone who is listening to this garbage

rant over, been a long day

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:26 pm

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7jZmntdzFBY

Dark Reign · Post by **Dark Reign** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:31 pm

Tomity wrote:
simonoff wrote:.. its not the best track from pharrell..

and its probably not the first bringign dubstep-like vibes

i think this one is 1 or 2 years old ...
really liking the synths
donno who produced it ..

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jJzWzpHpG54
Timbaland?

ya its timbaland. neveer heard it without vocals b4, badbwoy riddim.

brtiney spears dubstep track is sacriledge

pidge · Post by **pidge** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:32 pm

69Basslines wrote: brtiney spears dubstep track is sacriledge

Not it isnt, its funny, wobble doesn't equal dubstep

reptilian · Post by **reptilian** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:15 pm

that 50 cent and JT tune sounds like Joker!

i remember hearing it on the radio and liking the beat but not liking the vocals - its a pretty cool instrumental tho

ben freeman · Post by **ben freeman** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:39 pm

optimum wrote:Everyone always moans about commercial stuff being crap but never really provide any decent explanations/examples. A lot of dubstep tunes are made quickly, so it seems it's not really a good basis for judging quality.

All of those 'mainstream' producers like Neptunes, Timbaland, Polow, The Dream, etc. etc. are easily as good as the so called 'golden era'.

HHHAAAAA...that is a good joke right there.

RZA, Pete Rock, J Dilla, Spinna, the Shocklee brothers, Premo, and tons of others who made hip hop worth anything, destroy anything the Neptunes, Timba, Polow, the Dream ever did. Maybe they are more, "technically proficient", but they have no ear for sounds that I could give a fuck about, and sound like they were made on a casio keyboard, with weak terrible synths and absolutely retarded lyrics for the artists that rap over them.

These amazing producers I have listed made quality beats, and still do except Dilla (RIP)..... but I will take even the worst Dilla beat over the Neptunes any day. These artists inject that soul element to their sound that the modern day mainstream producers seemed to have lost.

When I was into hip hop in the golden era, the mainstream hip hop WAS good hip hop. If you watched Yo MTV raps, and rap city back then, 90% of the tunes played were really good, amazing stuff. Can't say the same for now.

pidge · Post by **pidge** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:56 pm

Ben Freeman wrote: When I was into hip hop in the golden era, the mainstream hip hop WAS good hip hop.

Thats coz they jacked all their samples from all the good funk and soul records. notice how hiphop got shitter as the obvious samples got used up and were fewer and far between.

brockolio · Post by **brockolio** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:05 pm

imo a step in the right direction for the US rap game would be a step away from Lil' Wayne

a step in the right direction for the US rap scene would be to just fuck off completly

it never really changes, its all "i'll shoot you, i'll stab you i'll shoot you, i'll stab you ill shoot you, i'll stab you, money cash hoes money cash hoes... i'll shoot you, i'll stab you........... and then i'll rob you coz im the greatest"

sorry if these words offend any rap lovers in here, but thats all i seem to be hearing when im unfortunate enough to be anywhere near someone who is listening to this garbage

rant over, been a long day

so says a Canadian and a Brit.

jokes jokes.

i wouldn't even necessarily even call myself a rap lover, i just think hating on weezy is lame. name 5 more prolific rappers out there still making relevant music? and don't go out there giving me some backpacker nonsense that had its heyday in 2001.

its all "i'll shoot you, i'll stab you i'll shoot you, i'll stab you ill shoot you, i'll stab you, money cash hoes money cash hoes... i'll shoot you, i'll stab you........... and then i'll rob you coz im the greatest"

i don't even know if this warrants a response.

for me, if the flow is hot and it sounds blazing on a beat...i could care less what dude is talking about. i'm not trying to look at wayne as some sort of poet, dude just knows how to get on a mic and spit bars. plain and simple.

it's not like grime is about teddybears and lollipops, either. hah, and i can barely understand 1/2 the shit even talked about in that music, but i still love it to death. i guess i put more stock in the overall sound/flow/way the vocals maneuver around the beat instead of the content.

'Wayne, chillin like a scarecrow, lookin for some brain
Drivin in the range or, flyin' on the plane'

anyone hating on the man is taking his music WAY too serious.

EDIT: Freeman, i hear what you are saying though. I think it's tough to hold anything right now up to the golden age you are referring to [btw, if you haven't heard the Rub's mixtape series that chronicled every year of hip hop, i highly recommend checking out the 1992-1994 mixes.] I would never try to argue the Neptunes are better producers than Dilla or anything of the sort.

I do think that if the bar for creativity in hip hop production right now was raised, I think it could end up injecting a lot of creativity to MCs, etc. and creating a new generation of awesome rap music potentially.

Flying Lotus, LuckyMe crew, some of the Bristol heads are all making some amazing hip hop/rnb music right now and I'm all for elements of that being brought back into rap and making it sound fresh and interesting again for once in the past 10+ years.

ben freeman · Post by **ben freeman** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:07 pm

pidge wrote:
Ben Freeman wrote: When I was into hip hop in the golden era, the mainstream hip hop WAS good hip hop.
Thats coz they jacked all their samples from all the good funk and soul records. notice how hiphop got shitter as the obvious samples got used up and were fewer and far between.

Sampling was the basis of hip hop. Look at the way it began. Kool Herc would just take the breaks from his favorite tunes while djing house parties, it was all samples back in the day.

All these new hip hop producers have no excuses. Get a freaking funk band in the studio with you (like the Roots do it) and fucking make a tune that way. get a guitarist, piano player, etc. Choose "quality" sounds for your synth sounds.... There is no excuse to put out shit.

Pete Rock still puts out amazing stuff, and he gets people in the studio all the time doing live shit. Saying we can't sample anymore is just an excuse. If dubstep producers put out tunes that were as awful as most new hip hop, would anybody in this scene buy it? I for one would be long gone.

darkmatteruk · Post by **darkmatteruk** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:10 pm

Brockolio wrote:so says a Canadian and a Brit.

are you saying that because we arent american we cant have valid opinions on american genres of music? it sounds that way, if thats the case, what are you doing in here?

ben freeman · Post by **ben freeman** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:13 pm

Brockolio wrote:
imo a step in the right direction for the US rap game would be a step away from Lil' Wayne

a step in the right direction for the US rap scene would be to just fuck off completly

it never really changes, its all "i'll shoot you, i'll stab you i'll shoot you, i'll stab you ill shoot you, i'll stab you, money cash hoes money cash hoes... i'll shoot you, i'll stab you........... and then i'll rob you coz im the greatest"

sorry if these words offend any rap lovers in here, but thats all i seem to be hearing when im unfortunate enough to be anywhere near someone who is listening to this garbage

rant over, been a long day
so says a Canadian and a Brit.

jokes jokes.

i wouldn't even necessarily even call myself a rap lover, i just think hating on weezy is lame. name 5 more prolific rappers out there still making relevant music? and don't go out there giving me some backpacker nonsense that had its heyday in 2001.

its all "i'll shoot you, i'll stab you i'll shoot you, i'll stab you ill shoot you, i'll stab you, money cash hoes money cash hoes... i'll shoot you, i'll stab you........... and then i'll rob you coz im the greatest"

i don't even know if this warrants a response.

for me, if the flow is hot and it sounds blazing on a beat...i could care less what dude is talking about. i'm not trying to look at wayne as some sort of poet, dude just knows how to get on a mic and spit bars. plain and simple.

it's not like grime is about teddybears and lollipops, either. hah, and i can barely understand 1/2 the shit even talked about in that music, but i still love it to death. i guess i put more stock in the overall sound/flow/way the vocals maneuver around the beat instead of the content.

'Wayne, chillin like a scarecrow, lookin for some brain
Drivin in the range or, flyin' on the plane'

anyone hating on the man is taking his music WAY too serious.

I think Lil Wayne is a terrible rapper.... I'd love to see him go up against anyone in the WU Tang. I've heard people say he is the best rapper out these days (my co-worker for one) That right there shows me the terrible awful state hip hop is in, cause his shit bores me to death. The one new guy who I do like though is Twista.... now that guy flips it. To bad his producer sucks ballz.

brockolio · Post by **brockolio** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:14 pm

darkmatterUK wrote:
Brockolio wrote:so says a Canadian and a Brit.

are you saying that because we arent american we cant have valid opinions on american genres of music? it sounds that way, if thats the case, what are you doing in here?

just a joke bro. sorry for the miscommunication.

its all love. everyone here has a valid opinion on the matter.

darkmatteruk · Post by **darkmatteruk** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:26 pm

Brockolio wrote:
darkmatterUK wrote:
Brockolio wrote:so says a Canadian and a Brit.

are you saying that because we arent american we cant have valid opinions on american genres of music? it sounds that way, if thats the case, what are you doing in here?
just a joke bro. sorry for the miscommunication.

its all love. everyone here has a valid opinion on the matter.

yea, dont get me wrong mate, i used to listen to alot of rap a few years back,. maybe i was just purely listening to the wrong artists, but everything seemed to revolve around killing your enemies, raping their women and being loved for being the biggest tnuc in the world.

found myself becoming increasingly frustrated by it all, but at the same time still enjoying the beats, just ended up hating the rappers and their bullshit lyrics.

maybe drifted slightly off topic here, but just thought i ought to get that across

joe muggs · Post by **joe muggs** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:53 pm

Ben Freeman wrote:
I think Lil Wayne is a terrible rapper.... I'd love to see him go up against anyone in the WU Tang. I've heard people say he is the best rapper out these days (my co-worker for one) That right there shows me the terrible awful state hip hop is in, cause his shit bores me to death. The one new guy who I do like though is Twista.... now that guy flips it. To bad his producer sucks ballz.

Uuuuh Twista's been around for YEARS. And which producer do you mean - he's worked with a few? Surely not Swizz Beats?

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