anyone else sick of cookie cutter dubstep?

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:49 am

yeah if u expand yr vision of what dubstep is then there's an overwhelming amount of fwd business going on.

misk · Post by **misk** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:01 am

Macc wrote:I am a little puzzled by the fact SO many people obviously use Massive, do the same LFO sync automation stuff (8th notes... triplets, back to 8ths again etc etc) and don't look a little further.

Still.... they keep coming, I'll keep mastering them

And in fairness there are some people doing some stuff that is way off out there. Great stuff

you forgot albino, breddah! nothing like a good albino/massive mix showcase wobble blaster extravaganza!

Oh, and btw, I'm different:

www.myspace.com/miskatonik
www.myspace.com/catboxtreats

standards can fuck right off

3rdeye · Post by **3rdeye** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:25 am

to be honest i dont really understand threads like these when to me, dubstep today is such a diverse and varied beast. I think people just need to dig a little deeper. Not many of the tunes i listen to propagate the wobble bass line, and im finding a wealth of forward thinking, sick new producers and tunes almost every day! get diggin and look beyond the big names even. I have found so many wicked producers just through this forum, Sines, Hyetal, Phaeleh, Jus Wan, man I could go on all day!

yeager · Post by **yeager** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:27 am

WhiteLight wrote:Well, you surley know those two, but Burial and Kode9...
Shackleton
Minimal things like Scuba, Headhunter, 2562.
Dark shits like Milanese and Scorn.
Flying Lotus

dads dubstep

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:38 pm

Hurtdeer wrote:
abZ wrote:Quite frankly it is getting like DNB. The reason I left. Everyone is trying to make the same tune.
this is pretty much true of any genre though- it starts off exciting and fresh, and then people start getting used to what they like, and then the majority of people become pretty conservative over what the genre should be like- so most of the producers end up writing the same shit. But there's still plenty of good dubstep around, as there is good dnb still coming out (spor, current value, limewax, breakage, enduser...), it just becomes about digging deeper when the scene isn't all exciting and new anymore.

and even the more out-there genres like breakcore and idm have idiots trying to say it should all be a certain way now

You are absolutely right and unearthing those gems is what being a good dj is all about. If I dug a bit I am sure I would still find dnb that I like. After a while it got to be a chore tho. There is only so much of the shite I am willing sift through to get to the good stuff. At this point in time dubstep is still worth it for me. I'm just not sure where it is all going really.

detuneproductions · Post by **detuneproductions** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:00 pm

Hurtdeer wrote:
abZ wrote:maybe in a year or so we'll already start properly using terms like 'breakstep' 'liquid dubstep' 'jump-up dubstep' 'glitchstep', whatever, just like we do with jungle/dnb

Couple years ago would have been appalled by this but now I say bring it on!
Can we have a "no mid range, massive/albino, FM wobble" sub genre. Im all for digging but I ALMOST feel embarrassed to be associated with the current sound.
Fucking scenesters just trying to recreate not originate!

jobbanaught · Post by **jobbanaught** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:02 pm

People are saying stuff like that about techno for the last 15 years, and still theres new producers every year which manage to develop their own destinctive style and still add new and exciting flavour to the genre. My point is, look out for the good stuff, ignore the rest. Consider the generic wobble stuff to be the pop-music of dubstep, just look beyond that and find the real gems. And there are many as already pointed out...

caeraphym · Post by **caeraphym** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:57 pm

Basic Channel/Rhythm & Sound, Pole 15 years ago their brand of techno was more dubstep than techno looking back with the hindsight and perspective future eyes can only provide. Still fucking techno to me though, all this music however you label it up, Techno: The Many Faceted Beast.

As long as people are trying to make their own sound, express something from within them that needs to come out through music I'll be happy listening to their endeavours.

How many teenage boys(and quite a few girls too, Kim Deal, Laura Marling, KT Tunstall, Joanna Newsom phwaor!) have picked up a guitar and started strumming the same four Nirvana chords and then gone on to produce their own stuff, each apart, different and unique?

Dubstep's dead baby, long live dubstep.

juxta · Post by **juxta** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:01 pm

http://www.digital-tunes.net/artists/b1t_crunch3r

This is some of my stuff that i have done with b1t. It is super experimental dubstep. =p

duskky · Post by **duskky** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:17 pm

jobbanaught wrote: Consider the generic wobble stuff to be the pop-music of dubstep, just look beyond that and find the real gems. And there are many as already pointed out...

a good attitude to have. I guess it's largely just down to the individual that's making the music. Like has been previously mentioned not everyone's trying to innovate. There's a MASSIVE swathe of the population who would be happy to listen to fucking abba gold on repeat for the rest of their lives. It doesn't necessarily mean their approaching music in the 'wrong' way, but at the same time it doesn't mean you should be running off to HMV thinking "millions of people can't be wrong". it's all about personal experience, and finding the shit YOU like rather than worrying about what everyone else is doing.

The thing is, whatever becomes the most popular element of a genre tends to be the most conservative and the most compromised sound. You could think of it like the mass audience weeding out the most tired, unimaginative sound. That means all them fools are off doing that while we can get on with the good shit

magma · Post by **magma** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:19 pm

The majority of music from all genres and backgrounds is derivative... don't limit yourself to single genres like "Dubstep" or "Indie" or "House", broaden your outlook and you'll find more amazing music than you could ever imagine - it'll help your compositions to do a bit of cross pollenation here and there, too.

FSTZ1 · Post by **FSTZ1** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:28 pm

Jolly Wailer wrote:yeah if u expand yr vision of what dubstep is then there's an overwhelming amount of fwd business going on.

yep

what he said

jalfrezi · Post by **jalfrezi** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:56 pm

darkmatterUK wrote:
Macc wrote:Plenty of good dubstep without a wobble in sight
again, spot on. there just seems to be an awful ot of people showing a great ammount of desperation to create the exact same generic wobble sound at the moment and give it one up the bum as hard and often as possibe

beautifully put

jobbanaught · Post by **jobbanaught** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:17 pm

Duskky wrote:
jobbanaught wrote: Consider the generic wobble stuff to be the pop-music of dubstep, just look beyond that and find the real gems. And there are many as already pointed out...
There's a MASSIVE swathe of the population who would be happy to listen to fucking abba gold on repeat for the rest of their lives.

Sad but true...

lewisr · Post by **lewisr** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:59 pm

A few sort of deeper soulful ones..

Absense, DFRNT, Zillion, Vishnu, Most of the guys in the echodub collective,

id like to say my tracks are a bit soulful to sometimes, but not a patch on those guys ^

eeasy.

grooki · Post by **grooki** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:43 am

my new track Duet doesn't have a wobble in it

http://www.myspace.com/grookidub

*shameless plug*

caeraphym · Post by **caeraphym** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:07 am

LewisR wrote:A few sort of deeper soulful ones..

Absense, DFRNT, Zillion, Vishnu, Most of the guys in the echodub collective

That Echodub Freebie LP was quite something, thank you to all involed, my wallet is primed to become considerably lighter since being exposed to such sounds

Bless all.

darkmatteruk · Post by **darkmatteruk** » Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:20 am

Jalfrezi wrote:
darkmatterUK wrote:
Macc wrote:Plenty of good dubstep without a wobble in sight
again, spot on. there just seems to be an awful ot of people showing a great ammount of desperation to create the exact same generic wobble sound at the moment and give it one up the bum as hard and often as possibe

beautifully put

thanks, got the point across rather well i thought

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