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[abZ]

no ones trying to control anything or contain anything. people always immediately go to that train of thought whenever there's threads like this. its just not a time to be quiet about people writing shitty music.

What pisses me off is the generalizations that go on in these threads. I 100% agree that there is a ridiculous amount of crap out there but it is a problem with ALL of the sub-sounds and in all music period these days. There are good chainsaw tunes and their are wank tunes with 808 sub and skanky drums. This very thread people are talking about jump up tunes and hard as nails metal step, totally different sounds essentially "I don't like what I don't like" it is pointless. If you really think you are helping then you should be more specific with your criticism imo.

[claw]

^abz


fuck your brostep bro....i mean bro, have you ever even heard of a distortion plugin bro? i mean seriously bro, you could have a tampon up your snatch rite now bro with that lack of manly bass you got





past reminding abzors that his brodome, is not quite bro enuff for me, the bros, and the bro-ho's

id like to put out a message that i am recruiting members for the "BroStepSociety".....all bros send me a pm to get your member number, official signature graphic and highfive from me and the rest of the bro's

[rubadub]

tune on mah now...death of brostep.

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[L.o.s.]

as i tired to demonstrate earlier,
the term 'bro' clearly has a different connotation in miami than i guess everywhere else in the world
which is making this whole argument a bit confusing for me

i will say this though, and i can only speak for myself
my favorite dj, producer, artist, musician, whatever is mala
and i listen to for the most part alot of silkie, kode9, martyn, and all that kind of business
tbh i really listen to mostly old stuff like skream mixes from 2005, old plastician mixes for 04 05 06 07, digitial mystikz essential mix from 06

i but throw in some borgore and ultrablack stuff all the time, more often than i realize actually according to my itunes play count

so i definitely believe there is a place in the music universe for all kinds of styles

thats my 2 cents

[abZ]

^abz


fuck your brostep bro....i mean bro, have you ever even heard of a distortion plugin bro? i mean seriously bro, you could have a tampon up your snatch rite now bro with that lack of manly bass you got





past reminding abzors that his brodome, is not quite bro enuff for me, the bros, and the bro-ho's

id like to put out a message that i am recruiting members for the "BroStepSociety".....all bros send me a pm to get your member number, official signature graphic and highfive from me and the rest of the bro's

I know how to use a broverdrive bro

[Brandon S.]

Hahaha, Richie August is the king of Brostep.....

[morro_e]

actually there are few kings and many many pawns in that brostep game called "healthy scene"

[johnthethird]

I think the issue is the medium really. At least in the U.S. (Can't really speak for the UK), when the average person thinks of DJ's they think clubbing or partying. The DJ is there just to provide energy and background music so they can dance and get fucked up. Most people don't go to see DJs to be inspired. Not that everyone is catering to the average person, it just happens that way. Big sound systems cost a lot of money to run, so if you really want to keep your night, you have to get as many people in as you can, and when the DJ drops a that really hard track that makes every drunk on the floor go nuts, they're gonna drop more of them. And it just evolves like that, because you need that turnout to pay for the night, to bring in out of town producers, so the bar/club doesn't drop your night etc. People in the U.S. understand bands and are willing to pay for them, but try to charge $5 bucks for a DJ and people start bitching and trying to force their way on guests lists (cuz you're not cool at the party otherwise). I bet if Radiohead dropped a Mala tune in their set most people would go apeshit, be inspired by it, but you could probably bring those same people out to a club when it was playing and they'd just stand there completely uninterested.

Just my two cents on the whole thing.

[morro_e]

if the crowd feels bangers only its a bad crowd

why to build big systems then? i thought intention of bringing big crowds was before the intention for building big systems. why do we need big systems on a little crowd / space?

so little systems / places for good little crowds would cost less and there will be less shitty bangers played and literally less shit

its just instinctive peoples need for something bigger. its male instinctive need for a bigger cock. its a promoters need for bringing more people. its producer / dj need to earn more money

you cant stop people from being little fucking hitlers

[akindele]

This is D&B circa 97/98 all over, a new sound comes about which attracts a different crowd who know very little about the foundation or the original culture of the music. That said new sound pretty much pushes the original foundation sound to the background causing some of the diehards to either flee in disgust or follow whatever is left over that's holds to the original principles of the music.

Basically the same thing that happen to D&B in 97/98 when the Virus, Hardware, Ram sound took over causing many to flee to Garage or just create their own little thing within the scene(Ie:Fabio(Creative Source), V Recordings, etc..)is happening with Dubstep. And as the Funky Scene keeps on growing more and more of the original Dubsteppers will head in that direction, and the Future Garage scene looks to be going the way Goodlooking records and Atmospheric scene did around that same time .

[seckle]

This is D&B circa 97/98 all over, a new sound comes about which attracts a different crowd who know very little about the foundation or the original culture of the music. That said new sound pretty much pushes the original foundation sound to the background causing some of the diehards to either flee in disgust or follow whatever is left over that's holds to the original principles of the music.

Basically the same thing that happen to D&B in 97/98 when the Virus, Hardware, Ram sound took over causing many to flee to Garage or just create their own little thing within the scene(Ie:Fabio(Creative Source), V Recordings, etc..)is happening with Dubstep. And as the Funky Scene keeps on growing more and more of the original Dubsteppers will head in that direction, and the Future Garage scene looks to be going the way Goodlooking records and Atmospheric scene did around that same time .

major differences though. back in 1997 the record store was the center of everything. the internet, myspace and all these other avenues you have today didn't exist. you found out about new dubs and releases via the record store or your friend the record store buyer. the person buying the records for the store was probably the most critical link in the chain of quality control. tunes he thought were shit, he wouldn't buy. this middle person in the chain between distributor and consumer is desperately missing these days. not just in this sound either.

^this is why 1994-1998 jungle rocked the whole global underground, because the demand versus supply was enormous, and there were middle people like the record store buyer, pushing the music forward with his choices and tastes. out of all the record stores online right now, the only one that really understands this is boomkat, and big up to them.

[seckle]

no ones trying to control anything or contain anything. people always immediately go to that train of thought whenever there's threads like this. its just not a time to be quiet about people writing shitty music.

What pisses me off is the generalizations that go on in these threads. I 100% agree that there is a ridiculous amount of crap out there but it is a problem with ALL of the sub-sounds and in all music period these days. There are good chainsaw tunes and their are wank tunes with 808 sub and skanky drums. This very thread people are talking about jump up tunes and hard as nails metal step, totally different sounds essentially "I don't like what I don't like" it is pointless. If you really think you are helping then you should be more specific with your criticism imo.

so if you think there's a load of crap out there, why aren't you speaking about it all the time?

being specific about what producers are putting out crap achieves nothing. its just my opinion, and music is subjective. i'm not trying to witchhunt a whole group of producers on an internet forum. thats the dumbest route to take.

the point is that there's a massive trend of stupid music being made. stupid as in formulaic. everyone following the next man, instead of taking their own routes. metal/abrasive/chainsaw sounds are not the issue.

[seckle]

Most people don't go to see DJs to be inspired.

of course. people go to clubs for many reasons, but the common thread tying it together is it that they go out to release stress. especially during these stressful times in the world. some people want to go mental and jump around, and other people want to meditate.

how do you as the DJ speak to both those groups of people? by not playing into formulas. by taking your own route, and taking the crowd on a journey with you. the art of DJ'ing is dying when DJ's are more concerned about getting the crowd response than playing music thats going to inspire.

[setspeed]

and when the DJ drops a that really hard track that makes every drunk on the floor go nuts, they're gonna drop more of them. And it just evolves like that.

this is a very important point - the DJ's role.

it's very obvious to me as a DJ that I can go up there and play banger after banger, and get a big reaction every drop. It's obvious to most in fact, which is why people do it. It's a lot harder to build a set, and you have to accept that if you're going to do that, the first few tracks of your set are gonna make it look like you've just cleared the floor a bit (esp if the previous DJ was playing wobblez). Which, really, you have. But if you keep playing good stuff, they'll come back, and be actually dancing rather than moshing, and it'll be a more engaged crowd overall, rather than just the sweaty bare-chested boys down the front shouting. But this takes resolve and a degree of confidence in what you're doing - and it's a lot easier to just bottle it, pull out the BANGERZZ and watch the place go off. But a lot less satisfying IMO. I can totally understand why it happens though....

[dubout]

There is a lot of truth written on the last two pages of this thread. For me it sums up to:

Things have changed. Quality control is a bit lost because of the internet/myspace/rapidshare etc.

Brostep goes of in the dance.

Girls like brostep, too.

The DJ should not be seduced by the dancefloor success of bangers. It just lasts so long. It's his responsibility to build a set/mood and play with the audience.

Any more conclusions I missed?

[rob sparx]

the point is that there's a massive trend of stupid music being made. stupid as in formulaic. everyone following the next man, instead of taking their own routes. metal/abrasive/chainsaw sounds are not the issue.

Thats true its perfectly possible to be innovative and write that sort of music but its a lot more hard work than just cloning someone elses style. Its Ppl that say ALL jumpup/moshstep etc is shit just bcos theres any midrange frequencies used regardless of how much effort went into the music etc who need to shut the fuk up on this forum as that bullshit is the reason many producers don't even bother logging in on here anymore.

I don't think taking influences from other ppl sounds is a bad thing though as long as your mixing them up with your own styles and techniques and trying to develop them as well, I do that all the time if anything its a complement to the other producer and its also a competitive thing - if I hear a sound that I've never made b4 that makes me go "what the fuck is that noise" I want to make it just to test myself. For instance since I've been listening to Jokers music I've realised theres a whole loads of sounds which i know how to make but gave up trying to get to work in my music until I heard the way he was using them - now when I'm working on a livlier tune instead of going for another throb/wobble/reece to fill a gap in the midrange I know I can use a classic synth chord or arpeggio etc instead which is great (bigup Joker BTW sick producer!).

[breeeeza]

the point is that there's a massive trend of stupid music being made. stupid as in formulaic. everyone following the next man, instead of taking their own routes. metal/abrasive/chainsaw sounds are not the issue.

Thats true its perfectly possible to be innovative and write that sort of music but its a lot more hard work than just cloning someone elses style. Its Ppl that say ALL jumpup/moshstep etc is shit just bcos theres any midrange frequencies used regardless of how much effort went into the music etc who need to shut the fuk up on this forum as that bullshit is the reason many producers don't even bother logging in on here anymore.

I don't think taking influences from other ppl sounds is a bad thing though as long as your mixing them up with your own styles and techniques and trying to develop them as well, I do that all the time if anything its a complement to the other producer and its also a competitive thing - if I hear a sound that I've never made b4 that makes me go "what the fuck is that noise" I want to make it just to test myself. For instance since I've been listening to Jokers music I've realised theres a whole loads of sounds which i know how to make but gave up trying to get to work in my music until I heard the way he was using them - now when I'm working on a livlier tune instead of going for another throb/wobble/reece to fill a gap in the midrange I know I can use a classic synth chord or arpeggio etc instead which is great (bigup Joker BTW sick producer!).

true, is ninja scrolls gunna be getting a digi release, big big tune
and guns at dawn, big.

[rob sparx]

The DJ should not be seduced by the dancefloor success of bangers. It just lasts so long. It's his responsibility to build a set/mood and play with the audience.

Plenty of DJs write mainly bangers but play all sorts - what music your writing and what your playing out don't have to be the same thing. Tunes don't have to be "banging" to work really well on the dancefloor anyway but they do have to be lively ie. if theres no evil bassline in there then a catchy melody is a good substitute