So you don't like grime?

[Mutiny]

Disfunctional marriage is a good analogy i think, not least when grime keep's cheating on dubstep with UK funky!

...and electro-house/pop/rnb/horribly re-hashed classic tunes... in some ways perhaps grime is particularly promiscuous, mind you dubstep has done similar deviant acts of depravity except perhaps been a little less blatant about its sleeping-around (i.e. not putting it about on radio1 playlists lol)...

sorry for extending the analogy further. some interesting points in this thread.
...anyway cheers ont d/l

hahaha! nice analogy there

[butterz]

Cheers for all the feedback on the mix its been sick so far! Keep downloading!

The times when dubstep and grime were close cousins feel distant now

there were a lot of grime purists 5 years ago, that declared on their blogs and on this site as well that "dubstep will never be as big as grime"

Quotes?

One problem with grime that really stopped if from growing is its got the sort of attitude that brings out the sorts of ppl you really dont want to be at your event, a few years back police were shutting down every night bcos regularly at big events all it needed was a banging tune to be dropped and suddenly its all kicked off and someones got stabbed or cs gas let off etc.

Still havent played nor have I been to a Grime event were a serious incident has happened. I have been going to them for about 6 years now. Im not saying your friend is lying but, your sensationalizing things you 'think' happen at Grime events.

the debate around grime, violence, policing and MCs has been done to death elsewhere. what's new about this mix is elijah and skilliam's approach to re-empower grime producers and DJs, away from the MCs and their mixtapes as the primary focus of the genre.

Thanks blackdown. This is exactly what im trying to do. Grime producers haven't been actively releasing stuff for a couple of years now, and this year this has to improve release wise!

I think the main reason for the difference in popularity between the two genres is the fact that people buy the music in Dubstep, whereas Grime is riddled with piracy and what not and although everybody has the newest tunes they got it sent through bluetooth or rapidshare rather than through the post.

There are many stories in the scene of people spenidng months putting together CDs and then those CDs only selling 30 units, bare people gave up and left the Grime scene cos they thought there was no support for what they were doing.

However, I think with some Dubstep heads there is alot of snobbery about Grime. People didnt want to listen to Sukh Knight when Sketch E was playing his tunes in Grime sets years back, until True Tiger signed him. People didnt want to listen to Terror Danjah until Planet Mu signed his album.

Theres so much talent in the Grime scene but its like DJs and consumers are scared to check it out.

Either way back on topic big up Elijah and Skilliam big tings for Butterz this year

Thanks a lot for this post. I agree with these points so much, hopefully people will start checking for more of the beats from these producers, and the others I cant even get hold of that make weighty instrumentals. Footsie, Skepta, JME, Wiley are still making great instrumental music, hopefully they will see releases this year, as only the top DJs have them.

I used to be a massive grime head, massively into it.

Now I hardly ever listen - Mainly because of the lack of vinyl releases!
EDIT: this is mix is fire though!

Should improve slightly this year. Terror Danjah is coming out on Butterz, Hyperdub. Swindle on Planet Mu, Rude Kid on No Hats No Hoods, DOK is a free agent at the moment, although ive picked up some of his beats. Indie labels listen up!

However, I think with some Dubstep heads there is alot of snobbery about Grime....People didnt want to listen to Terror Danjah until Planet Mu signed his album.

^this.

People - fans and journalists alike - hyping Joker but not checking for Terror Danjah until Mu compiled his beats ... it's just embarassing.

Well said.

There are very few actual journalists out there. Most of them form their opinions based on what they've read on other people's blogs.

So true, but we know this so lets play ball. Lets get the journalists talking then!

Theres more to come, I am not anti MC, I want do start reaching out to a few MCs, and linking them up with better production, as thats were most good mcs let themselves down. Then I could probably play more vocals, tunes do slightly better etc.

For now, lets get the Grime production levels noticed, respected and shared with the world!

Elijah

http://www.butterz.co.uk

[jolly wailer]

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[butterz]

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[autonomic]

always liked this from kode about terror back in the way back

was listening to my sprawling terror danjah collection the other day, especially the new riddims 'sonar' and 'piano madness' and particularly noticed three things

1) they all sound the same. . .the infamous chuckle, and chittering syncopation
2) he makes every other grime and dubstep producer sound rhythmically retarded
3) he throws these little trap doors into each track, where if you are beat matching, he will just drop a beat and completely disorientate you, and just when you think the trains are going to collide, he'll bring it back

which is why trim on a TD beat is one of the best things in creation

[saphyre]

ive only been to one grime rave, it was chockablock at egg the friday before carnival last year. but there was no violence, nothing kicked off, and it was super hype and one of the best nights ive been to. I think the reason people , in particular promoters, are wary of grime is because it attracts "rudeboys" which they associate with violence. at they end of the day though 95% of people who go to underground music raves (whatever the genre) go because they are into the music not to start a fight. and from what ive heard its the MCs that start trouble not the people there

that said though, grime and hip hop as genres , are more likely to attract aggy people not because of the music but because of the MCs/rappers and what they talk about , and i dont think you can deny this.

[addicted]

you man are only checking grime because dubstep has exhausted creatively. grime has always been like this even for the past 4 years, don't try and make out like grime is suddenly back to how it was off the back of this mix.

[butterz]

always liked this from kode about terror back in the way back

was listening to my sprawling terror danjah collection the other day, especially the new riddims 'sonar' and 'piano madness' and particularly noticed three things

1) they all sound the same. . .the infamous chuckle, and chittering syncopation
2) he makes every other grime and dubstep producer sound rhythmically retarded
3) he throws these little trap doors into each track, where if you are beat matching, he will just drop a beat and completely disorientate you, and just when you think the trains are going to collide, he'll bring it back

which is why trim on a TD beat is one of the best things in creation

Sonar was out in 2005 and Piano Madness in 2003.

[butterz]

ive only been to one grime rave, it was chockablock at egg the friday before carnival last year. but there was no violence, nothing kicked off, and it was super hype and one of the best nights ive been to. I think the reason people , in particular promoters, are wary of grime is because it attracts "rudeboys" which they associate with violence. at they end of the day though 95% of people who go to underground music raves (whatever the genre) go because they are into the music not to start a fight. and from what ive heard its the MCs that start trouble not the people there

There we go! And I played at this rave as well, heavy night. Good only Grime rave to have been to!

[electric eliminator]

always liked this from kode about terror back in the way back

was listening to my sprawling terror danjah collection the other day, especially the new riddims 'sonar' and 'piano madness' and particularly noticed three things

1) they all sound the same. . .the infamous chuckle, and chittering syncopation
2) he makes every other grime and dubstep producer sound rhythmically retarded
3) he throws these little trap doors into each track, where if you are beat matching, he will just drop a beat and completely disorientate you, and just when you think the trains are going to collide, he'll bring it back

which is why trim on a TD beat is one of the best things in creation

Sonar was out in 2005 and Piano Madness in 2003.

That quote is from round about that time Elijah! Any way this is a heavy mix, been getting lots of play since you sent it. Big ups to yourselves and the No Hats No Hoods label for getting some quality grime on wax. If there had been more of this in the last few years I doubt anyone would be saying that grime had "went away".

[saphyre]

Just found this dubstep/grime mix by SRC

http://soundcloud.com/src411/src-october-mix-19-10-09

Tracklist:

SRC - Goomba
Freeland - Do You (Joker Remix)
SRC - Robot March
Gemmy - Rainbow Road
Wookie - Duppy
Terror Danjah - Piano Madness
SRC - Tokyo Central
Ikonika - Sahara Michael
Silkie - Cyber Dub
Datsik - Quantisation Error
Emalkay - When I Look At You
SRC - Oi Oi
Jakes - In The Place To Be
Deadmau5 & Kaskade - I Remember (Caspa Instrumental Mix)
Mizz Beats & Silkie - Purple Love
Calibre - Dutty
SRC - Electronical (Original)
Kromestar - Aston Martin

So hyped about this guys beats, an instrumental album from him would be great

[dreamizm]

tredding on thin ice was a good album,

In whose opinion? it flopped in the uk and didnt come close to representing the talent of wiley or the grime scene at that moment in time. anybody who was really listening to grime around that time will tell u that, prob even wiley (he's certainly said it abt subsequent efforts)

wiley could have been a household name in america in 2004. all he needed was more clever marketing, which didn't exist.

bruv, all the clever marketing in the world can't disguise a weak product.

tredding had at least 3 potentially big singles, and boy in the corner really only had one.

LOL, u serious?? I luv u, fix up, and jus a rascal were MASSIVE in the uk, i really dont kno what u are talkin abt. Wiley's album had Wot do u call it (which was over a year old) and....ermmm....oh yeah 'Pies' lol

mate Im sorry to bring location into it again but u really cant talk abt the commercial potential/development of grime from a US standpoint. we're talkin abt a UK market/scene here not what might have happened if different decisions/paths were taken.
conversation dun.

Peace

[Littlefoot]

Wiley seems like a confused man in most respects, I can never keep up with what he's doing , Tredding on Thin Ice is easily his best work mind.

[butterz]

always liked this from kode about terror back in the way back

was listening to my sprawling terror danjah collection the other day, especially the new riddims 'sonar' and 'piano madness' and particularly noticed three things

1) they all sound the same. . .the infamous chuckle, and chittering syncopation
2) he makes every other grime and dubstep producer sound rhythmically retarded
3) he throws these little trap doors into each track, where if you are beat matching, he will just drop a beat and completely disorientate you, and just when you think the trains are going to collide, he'll bring it back

which is why trim on a TD beat is one of the best things in creation

Sonar was out in 2005 and Piano Madness in 2003.

That quote is from round about that time Elijah! Any way this is a heavy mix, been getting lots of play since you sent it. Big ups to yourselves and the No Hats No Hoods label for getting some quality grime on wax. If there had been more of this in the last few years I doubt anyone would be saying that grime had "went away".

O seen I didnt realise he was quoting Kode 9 I thought that was the forum user saying that now haha. Big up Kode 9 he knows!

[dreamizm]

Wiley ...Tredding on Thin Ice is easily his best work mind.

LOOOOL. u for real!???

The tragedy is that this statement prob someones up 90% of what ppl on this forum really believe abt wiley and prob grime in general. And these are 'dubstep' ppl, apparently 'closely related' to the grime scene and its development etc etc

Out to Butterz, Dirty Canvas, Plastician, Blackdown tru g and all the grime ppl talkin sense. the rest of u need to know when to stay quiet.

[seckle]

Wiley ...Tredding on Thin Ice is easily his best work mind.

LOOOOL. u for real!???

The tragedy is that this statement prob someones up 90% of what ppl on this forum really believe abt wiley and prob grime in general. And these are 'dubstep' ppl, apparently 'closely related' to the grime scene and its development etc etc

Out to Butterz, Dirty Canvas, Plastician, Blackdown tru g and all the grime ppl talkin sense. the rest of u need to know when to stay quiet.

yeah thats the real positive message to put across isn't it. no one can talk, discuss, have an opinion about grime unless their from london, yeah? everyone else's opinions don't count, right?
thanks for proving my point exactly about purists. hilarious doesn't even begin to describe how silly it is.

[dreamizm]

no one can talk, discuss, have an opinion about grime unless their from london, yeah? everyone else's opinions don't count, right?

No wrong, I didnt say that, which u will find if u bother to read my posts properly b4 u post.

What I said was:

u really cant talk abt the commercial potential/development of grime from a US standpoint

In other words, there are no neat US points of reference to Grime and its development. Grime cannot be understood in a US context b'cos it never really existed in a US commercial or underground coummunity context that didnt mimick the Uk context it came from.

It's also goes without saying that if you don't know a sufficient amount about a particular topic you shd prob refrain from making sweeping points about its development and possible future. It's arrogant, and misleading for those that read it.

ps. I like the way u dodged my actualargument re Wiley and his album in the US.

[dreamizm]

Out to Seckle and Littlefoot...


http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php ... Itemid=105

[seckle]

yeah yeah yeah, big talk, but who's the one continually bringing up location in this conversation. you! so, keep trying to say that grime didn't develop in north america, when the fact was that there were parties in at least 5 cities here, actively pushing grime in 2004/2005. (grime city/mundo/starkey/dev79/keith e/shadetek).

your kind of attitude is embarrassing. the potential was there for things to get bigger here, and yes the marketing was horrible. matador didn't understand how to promote dizzee, and it was a mess. same with wiley, and same with roll deep when they first toured here.

i'm not avoiding any wiley album argument. you gave your opinion and I gave mine. end of story. wot do you call it, eskimo, pies could have all gone big here. thats three singles that had potential to do something for wiley here, at least on a college radio/indie level. dizzee had already broke college/indie radio as his album came first that year, and everything was set for wiley to do the same. dizzee opened the door, but wiley got no marketing /radio promotion from the label.

[seckle]

i'm done with this nursery school shit. big up martin for linking the mix. peace.