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reso wrote:everyone quit wining and just learn what Bernard has to teach, what an absolute feckin don:


Groove people!!!!

like!

Any chance of you ever posting videos of your own drumming talents?

Basic A wrote:

nowaysj wrote: grooki wrote:Firstly it bothers me that on this forum people use "kids" as a derogatory term. What is wrong about being young and into music?



The music that the young like is often like the young themselves: shallow, self-centered, and lacking any kind of real world experience.

Dude all of a sudden I dont like you at all... you dont know ANYONE your saying that about.

Yeah remember the Rolling Stones and The Beatles? They were both shit.

For instance writing sympathy for the devil at 18, what a shallow self centred song that is.

nowaysj wrote:The music that the young like is often like the young themselves: shallow, self-centered, and lacking any kind of real world experience.

shut your mouth you bitter old fart. i just turned 19 yesterday and for some reason i have no doubt i've seen and done shit that would make you sick just thinking about it, and i've got the scars and a hard limp that'll never go away to prove it. you wanna talk about shallow? self-centered? tell me how shallow most people are after losing a child. no real-world experience, huh? you mean like being homeless and strung out on duster at 13 cuz you got tired of you're mom being so shitfaced 24/7 you had to take shifts with your siblings watching her sleep so she wouldnt choke on her own vomit again? and this isn't just about my life, which really, for all the ups and downs, hasn't been all that hard.
when was the last time you visited an inner city center for youth? probably never, because you don't give much of a shit about anyone besides yourself, but i would really advise you to, it just might give you a sliver of the perspective you're lacking so hard right now. sorry if i'm going off on you, but you really have no fucking clue.

nowaysj wrote:

grooki wrote:are you implying that these people don't actually like the music they make and go and listen to?

Yes I think that is the implication, and I think it is true to a certain extent.

you're a fool, and i think you're the only one who doesn't realize it here. nobody else is stupid enough to think that producers like cookie monsta and datsik and excision and 16-bit don't genuinely love the music they're making. why would you even say that? it's such a nasty and insensitive thing to say that i honestly wonder if you actually have ever done anything creative in your life.

nowaysj wrote:

grooki wrote: Have too many people jumped onto the guitar bandwagon.

A resounding YES!

i totally agree on this one, guitars are so 20th century.

nowaysj wrote:

grooki wrote: Or maybe even the music wagon?

Well there might just be too many people playing with music making software and sharing their experience with others.

you're such a prick i can't believe it. are you saying that because you have a different taste in music that other people shouldn't be allowed to make a tune and let people hear it? do you have any concept whatsofuckingever of the creative process? plenty of people make shit music but they do it FOR FUN AND BECAUSE THEY LOVE DOING IT, something that you seem to have absolutely no concept of. i probably won't listen to it but i won't tell them they don't have the right cuz they aren't in line with my warped standards.

nowaysj wrote:

grooki wrote: So forget it. Once you forget it, hating on "brostep" or whatever for not having intricate drums

It's not about them being intricate, it's about them having musical value, them having some amount of thought invested in them, them having something justifying their existence.

again, what more justification do they need then the fact that they're a product of somebody's love and dedication? to assume that there's no thought invested in them is so ignorant.

nowaysj wrote:

grooki wrote:becomes as relevant as hating on classical guitar pieces for not having enough sub.

It's about expectations. If you buy a record looking to hear some heavy bass music, and instead you get 59 minutes of classical guitar, you're more than welcome to hate on the labeling of the music.

Truth be told, I do not like brostep. I really don't. It is extremely annoying. But it has nothing to do with me, or it shouldn't, but that shit is in my face, and in my ears and in my mind because of it's forced proximity to music that I really do love. Brostep isn't bass music, it is midrange music.

it's midrange music? you must be a detective, huh? did you figure that out all by yourself? everybody has to sit through some tunes they don't like every once in a while at a show, and you don't see normal people shitting tears over it. they just cringe and keep going. i'm sure you know what DJs you like, what DJs you don't like, who will play the midrange and who will avoid it like the plague, right? just go to the nights that you know will be good and don't bother with the rest. it's that simple.

and maybe one day, you'll meet me at a show and not even know it, and we'll smoke a blunt outside and have a good time listening to some deep tunes, and we'll both think, "wow, so glad to have met a fellow music fan around here!" you'd prolly tell me your opinions about midrange, i'd laugh and say, "oh, i kind of like that stuff" and you'd say something about how you hated it and it sucked, and we'd both laugh, cuz opinions like that don't really mean shit in the big picture, do they?

Assassin wrote:

Basic A wrote:

nowaysj wrote: grooki wrote:Firstly it bothers me that on this forum people use "kids" as a derogatory term. What is wrong about being young and into music?



The music that the young like is often like the young themselves: shallow, self-centered, and lacking any kind of real world experience.

Dude all of a sudden I dont like you at all... you dont know ANYONE your saying that about.

Yeah remember the Rolling Stones and The Beatles? They were both shit.

For instance writing sympathy for the devil at 18, what a shallow self centred song that is.

But, but, but...

I don't think it's a good idea equating songs or 'actual, proper music' to bedroom produced shite that will be a forgotten embarrassment in 5 years time....

Sympathy for the devil is an actual 'song', though. With lyrics. About something. Still stands today.

Most electronic music isn't a song with lyrics or even about something. Tracks. Tracks with stupid names made by 'producers' without artistic ideas in their heads.

Not to say IT ALL ISN'T, but a huge majority of it is just about TECHNIQUE to go BOOM on the DANCEFLOOR. Shallow, shitty shite, for the most part.

I know it pisses people off, especially if you're just starting out in music, but it's true. A lot of electronic music being churned out is the musical equivalent of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ileI2xPOSJA

Is that art? Looks like something you'd print and laminate for a placemat in shitty restaurant, to me. It's a 'painting' for the casual observer, but everything in it is just 'technique'. That's all it is. One technique for this, one technique for that. The overall final work is just a meaningless load of shite. No feeling. Not about anything. Bunch. Of. Cack.

Yeah, I think it's wrong to equate 99.9% of what is being made in this forum to anything that is an actual, proper song with actual, proper lyrics.

But, what about classical music? That didn't have lyrics and is regarded as not being shallow, shitty shite!

Yeah, but those pieces weren't written to go boom, despite how it might have been portrayed on Amadeus.

nowaysj wrote:Well there might just be too many people playing with music making software and sharing their experience with others.

Yes! Too many producers and not nearly enough artists.

wang wrote:

Assassin wrote:

Basic A wrote:

nowaysj wrote: grooki wrote:Firstly it bothers me that on this forum people use "kids" as a derogatory term. What is wrong about being young and into music?



The music that the young like is often like the young themselves: shallow, self-centered, and lacking any kind of real world experience.

Dude all of a sudden I dont like you at all... you dont know ANYONE your saying that about.

Yeah remember the Rolling Stones and The Beatles? They were both shit.

For instance writing sympathy for the devil at 18, what a shallow self centred song that is.

But, but, but...

I don't think it's a good idea equating songs or 'actual, proper music' to bedroom produced shite that will be a forgotten embarrassment in 5 years time....

Sympathy for the devil is an actual 'song', though. With lyrics. About something. Still stands today.

Most electronic music isn't a song with lyrics or even about something. Tracks. Tracks with stupid names made by 'producers' without artistic ideas in their heads.

Not to say IT ALL ISN'T, but a huge majority of it is just about TECHNIQUE to go BOOM on the DANCEFLOOR. Shallow, shitty shite, for the most part.

I know it pisses people off, especially if you're just starting out in music, but it's true. A lot of electronic music being churned out is the musical equivalent of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ileI2xPOSJA

Is that art? Looks like something you'd print and laminate for a placemat in shitty restaurant, to me. It's a 'painting' for the casual observer, but everything in it is just 'technique'. That's all it is. One technique for this, one technique for that. The overall final work is just a meaningless load of shite. No feeling. Not about anything. Bunch. Of. Cack.

Yeah, I think it's wrong to equate 99.9% of what is being made in this forum to anything that is an actual, proper song with actual, proper lyrics.

But, what about classical music? That didn't have lyrics and is regarded as not being shallow, shitty shite!

Yeah, but those pieces weren't written to go boom, despite how it might have been portrayed on Amadeus.

wow. what a crock of shit.

i'm glad you've given yourself the duty of deciding what is and isn't "art", man. it sure does take the burden off the rest of our shoulders.

edit: clicked on the link in your sig and found this:

"WANG® is not affiliated with any other individual or organisation.
WANG® does not want to listen to your shit guitar band.
WANG® will not remix your shit guitar band.
WANG® will not remix your mate's shit guitar band.
WANG® will not care if you don't like what you hear."

MR TOUGH GUY ON THE 1'S AND 2'S!

p.s. you say "fuck your wobble" by replacing it with one of the single most outdated, overused, and completely laughable one-trick ponies in dance music history? rock solid performance, eh?

Ddue wang just cause you listen to/produce meaningless, emotionless electronic music, doesnt mean there arent people out there putting there feelings down with it... you dont need lyrics to convey your emotions man...

wang wrote: Most electronic music isn't a song with lyrics or even about something. Tracks. Tracks with stupid names made by 'producers' without artistic ideas in their heads.

This.... once again, dude, you dont5 know the people around here so dont assume you do.

none of this changes the fact that a whole lot of yagga-yagga-dependent dubstep has shit drums

joekool wrote: wow. what a crock of shit.

i'm glad you've given yourself the duty of deciding what is and isn't "art", man. it sure does take the burden off the rest of our shoulders.

Yeah, I think about art a lot and I'm glad that I'm able to see that most electronic producers are just 'people with computers' rather than artists with ideas. There are too many of the former. I hope to make people think more about what they're doing before they sit at their computer without having any idea of what it is they are wanting to do or wanting to convey. What they are adding to an already too deep sea of me-toos.

joekool wrote:
edit: clicked on the link in your sig and found this:

"WANG® is not affiliated with any other individual or organisation.
WANG® does not want to listen to your shit guitar band.
WANG® will not remix your shit guitar band.
WANG® will not remix your mate's shit guitar band.
WANG® will not care if you don't like what you hear."

MR TOUGH GUY ON THE 1'S AND 2'S!

p.s. you say "fuck your wobble" by replacing it with one of the single most outdated, overused, and completely laughable one-trick ponies in dance music history? rock solid performance, eh?

Yeah, tough guy. Boots and full beard. Let's arm wrestle.

Crivens! I knew I shouldn't have left a link to one track I did one day under one guise in my sig! I've been found out! Damn, now that one single track I did that one time has invalidating everything I've said about music! Oh, how embarrassing...

Fuck your wobble IS rock solid as far as concept is concerned. To this day, nothing else out there in DS land that sounds like this track. It is instantly recognisable in the sea of other sound-alike tracks and it did exactly what it set out to do when I made it. It took about 4 hours or, so. Probably less time than you spend being sanctimonious on this forum. Using a 303 is 'played out' and arguably not as 'with it' as wobbling, but I can probably find examples of synth cutoff wobble that predates the 303 even existing if I so desired. Conceptually, it did the trick. It caused some polarization in people and showed me that it's easy as fuck to make an aggro track like this. So easy, in fact, that I never bothered again and went back to writing 'proper' music instead.

But, before we discuss 'one trick ponies', let's note that I've already argued that somebody with an acoustic guitar can make more memorable music than somebody with a studio full of gear. It's not about the sounds or the tricks. It's about making something memorable and that can stand out in a sea of same. Making something memorable in concept using whatever means is at your disposal.

Wang wrote:It's about making something memorable and that can stand out in a sea of same.

this is what I strive for

Wait, is this a brostep thread?

JFK wrote:makes you seem like a bitter old man. Which Im sure isnt the case.

I'm not exactly an old man, but I am pretty bitter, but not about the state of the youth. Youth is an experiential/hormonal delusion that must be lived through. Everyone who makes it, has experienced this. Nothing wrong with it, it is just a fact of life. So can y'all please stroke one out and relax a bit?

To all of the citations of historically youthful song creators, no doubt, geniuses or near geniuses all. Age is irrelevant to those people because their talent is so immense.

I just have to say as an old man with beard that I do not agree with the other bitter old men in here. 99% of the most important music ever has been made by "kids" and I am a bit jealous that I didn't have the tools when I was young that you guys do today. That naive excitement about music that I once had is completely gone. I fight with myself constantly while writing tunes because I am jaded and there is nothing I can do about it. It is just something that comes with age. Also my chance to "make it" at least in the way I think that means is no longer an opportunity. Anyway my point is never let some crusty old man put you down. The shit you are doing now isn't for old people, but they will be old some day and then you may get that respect you deserve.

All I can say is people hating on other people's art is just sad. And that's what some of you cats are doing. Hating.

abZ wrote:I just have to say as an old man with beard that I do not agree with the other bitter old men in here. 99% of the most important music ever has been made by "kids"

As apparently the bitter old man, I don't disagree with this, maybe the percentage, but not the sentiment.

abZ wrote:I just have to say as an old man with beard that I do not agree with the other bitter old men in here. 99% of the most important music ever has been made by "kids" and I am a bit jealous that I didn't have the tools when I was young that you guys do today. That naive excitement about music that I once had is completely gone. I fight with myself constantly while writing tunes because I am jaded and there is nothing I can do about it. It is just something that comes with age. Also my chance to "make it" at least in the way I think that means is no longer an opportunity. Anyway my point is never let some crusty old man put you down. The shit you are doing now isn't for old people, but they will be old some day and then you may get that respect you deserve.

People need to stop hating and let shit be.

Brostep may be a tad boring but there has to be a reason why we even know about it.

If it were total shit i believe we wouldn't even be HEARING the name brostep.

wang wrote:Yeah, but those pieces weren't written to go boom, despite how it might have been portrayed on Amadeus.

You sure about that? All of it?

jon-OSTIA wrote:If it were total shit i believe we wouldn't even be HEARING the name brostep.

To disprove your point, I refer you to Mt. Eden.

All im saying about kids is unrealted to music enitrely.

Go talk to a kid, in a wheelchair, who wasnt born there, tell him his experiences in life havent earned him wisdom.

Tell a kid diagnosed fatal condition at age 13 that they dont understand what lifes really about yet, and until theyre 35 yr. old losers they dont know whats what. They will ide forever young, think its fair to discredit them because they dont have the time you do?

Talk to a kid, sitting in a prison cell, tell him his experiences in life arent as deep as yours because your older then him... tell him he doesnt know what hard is cause hes not a bitter old fart on the interenet (no offense abZ.)

Go find a real kid fam, tell them what they go through isnt really hard, there wisdom isnt wise. Spend a weekend in tehre shoes though and I bet your blisters alone would send you crying back to your mommy noways.

Tell the kid who watched his friends die in a war for profit that his opinion isnt relevant to your because your older then him... tell him all about how you know more about politics then him cause your old and that he doesnt know what hardship is.

And its like abZ said, most of the deepest music out there was written by relative KIDS. they 'got it' though, and you cant discredit on age because fact is you dont know these people. Never doubt anyone dude.

And about referring him to mount eden noways, might I refer you to Vaski, Trillbass, 16bit, Stenchman, ect.

I bet I could find a shitty sub producer to hold over your head.

Quit being a biggot dude.