iv just spent like an hour reading the whole of thi thread when i probs should of been working and all i can say is.. im 19 and iv been mixing for about a year.. when i got my decks the thought of buying a laptop and a program didnt even cross my mind. i love mixing with vinyl and working out the perfect way to drop tunes....
fairplay to all you technical ppl who use computers to mix tho i wouldnt know where to start lol
baisically IMO its vinyl all the way...
safe
seems to me like a bunch of people learned to mix on wax and are bummed out cause people with a laptop can do it easier.
such snobbery on this board, some genuine elitists on here. who gives a fuck what you're playing on??? people saying "if you ain't on wax, you ain't a DJ" i think you're missing the point... i think that people saying that in the DJ community and in your little scene you have to spin on wax to be "legit" or a "proper DJ" is silly. its like a little gang... "you gotta do what we do or you ain't in our gang".
like i say... the point is being missed. DJing isn't about turntabalism, or scratching, or juggling or whatever... that mentality only exists within a certain group of (very snobby, and fucking stupid) people and is compltely irrelevant outside of it. Your job, as a DJ, is to play tunes for listeners, and i think people forget that. From certain peoples posts in this thread it just seems like DJing is seen as some kind of circle jerking session, where if your methods dont match the standards and tastes of the "true wax DJ" then you're nothing. and its bullshit.
RESULTS > MEDIUM.
big ups to all the people who started spinning on wax cause its all that there was to spin on.
♫♪♫ wrote:just listening and i'm not convinced i've ever heard anti-war dub before. am i a bad person? i love DMZ
jolly wailer wrote:
pkay.. maybe you're just thick.. real decks = technics or any other hi-end direct drive.
I think you missed my point about how each time an advancement in technology comes around people bust out the 'not real djing' bullshit.
If you're djing for any other reason than putting asses on the dancefloor your experience in the DJ world is going to be short and sweet. Fucking up crowds by any means necessary is what a 'real dj' does.
Posing with your record box doesn't make you a 'real dj'
gender wrote:seems to me like a bunch of people learned to mix on wax and are bummed out cause people with a laptop can do it easier.
such snobbery on this board, some genuine elitists on here. who gives a fuck what you're playing on??? people saying "if you ain't on wax, you ain't a DJ" i think you're missing the point... i think that people saying that in the DJ community and in your little scene you have to spin on wax to be "legit" or a "proper DJ" is silly. its like a little gang... "you gotta do what we do or you ain't in our gang".
like i say... the point is being missed. DJing isn't about turntabalism, or scratching, or juggling or whatever... that mentality only exists within a certain group of (very snobby, and fucking stupid) people and is compltely irrelevant outside of it. Your job, as a DJ, is to play tunes for listeners, and i think people forget that. From certain peoples posts in this thread it just seems like DJing is seen as some kind of circle jerking session, where if your methods dont match the standards and tastes of the "true wax DJ" then you're nothing. and its bullshit.
RESULTS > MEDIUM.
big ups to all the people who started spinning on wax cause its all that there was to spin on.
agree with that, especially the last point. i have complete respect and am in awe of anyone who is genuinely good at mixing vinyl, so much so that you cant tell if its vinyl or traktor.
If you go vinyl-only, you can make bland, boring tunes like Mala and still be very popular with elitists because it's spun with that "warm analogue sound".
♫♪♫ wrote:If you go vinyl-only, you can make bland, boring tunes like Mala and still be very popular with elitists because it's spun with that "warm analogue sound".
hahahahahahahahahaha
♫♪♫ wrote:just listening and i'm not convinced i've ever heard anti-war dub before. am i a bad person? i love DMZ
using vinyl = "real dj" --- I know plenty of heads who don't use vinyl and I would still consider them absolutely sick, and as you put it "real djs" -- so I really didn't say that
simply commenting on the people going on and on about the "amazing mixes" they get from traktor or ableton
and I said.. I'm not amazed by it. I'm just not, don't really see why this opinion has any effect on what you're doing
I think that alot of software dj's think everyone is going to be blown away by their noodling and looping on a laptop or whatever format they're on.. and in many cases its just noodling -- so thats something to consider from a performance standpoint -- some people in the crowd don't wanna see that
and the people going on about elitism are clearly donuts who don't know their place in history
myxylpyx wrote:dam bro dats sick... off to the garden to eat some worms now.
regardless of medium, if you have to rely on some other entity (ableton's warping, traktor's traktoring) to hold mixes of individual tunes together FOR you-- you're not ready to be DJing to audiences. Get back in the lab, practice, and learn the basics and maybe then we can discuss your individuality and selection, but until then.....
twitter.com/sharmabeats
twitter.com/SubSwara
subswara.com
myspace.com/davesharma
Low Motion Records, Soul Motive, TKG, Daly City, Mercury UK
it's probably been said, and as i'm at work, i'm just going to give mine. i've wanted to DJ since the early 90s, but only got started up late 2008 for dubstep. i chose to go with vinyl. i definitely see how much more it costs than digital, but i don't think people with stolen files or automatic mixing should even be allowed in the club. i've put close to $10,000 in on it and it's not stopping. i'd be screen checking DJs for my parties and you wouldn't be getting a check like a real DJ if you were a fake DJ. ;P
Less whining, more doing something interesting with your DJing.
If people spent half the time doing something creative with their DJing that they spend bitching about how everyone else is doing it, there would be fewer boring DJs in the world.
In other words, here's a tissue. Go cry on someone's shoulder who cares.
I have been DJing for 15 years. Have done all vinyl, Ableton Live and Serato at various times. Guess what? People danced regardless of what I used.
Why? Because I put my heart into it and give a shit about the music. At the end of the day, it's the music that counts, not the medium.
jolly wailer wrote:don't care to explore those possiblities
I am not amazed by digital mixes
all I want to see is someone beat match records on real decks
Stop "seeing" the DJ and start listening.
Last edited by djshiva on Thu May 13, 2010 12:02 am, edited 1 time in total.
the thing about "if people are dancing"...well, you could just put a CD on instead! most of the bars in my state are jukebox, streaming music, and CDs! the whole idea of DJing is that it took you some time and effort to have skills, and that you put money back into the scene buying the music... i hear stories of people with laptops, pirated software, and entire directories filled with 320 mp3 scene releases. that's just wrong!
I have to add: who the fuck is anyone to tell someone else how they should express their creativity? If you are DJing to impress other DJs, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!
Look, we started using turntables and vinyl because at the time, it was the only way to control the pitch of the music, and to be able to drop a tune when and where you wanted. Now we have many options, including said turntables and vinyl. Whatever people want to use, I don't really give a shit. But why should anyone cater to someone else's need for medium? Why should anyone go back to a more simplistic method, when they have found another method that suits them creatively? To satisfy another person's need for "authenticity"? Fuck that.
Stick your head in front of a speaker, spend less time watching and more time listening, and seriously people? Get the fuck over yourselves.
brent wrote:the thing about "if people are dancing"...well, you could just put a CD on instead! most of the bars in my state are jukebox, streaming music, and CDs! the whole idea of DJing is that it took you some time and effort to have skills, and that you put money back into the scene buying the music... i hear stories of people with laptops, pirated software, and entire directories filled with 320 mp3 scene releases. that's just wrong!
no shit, but there are plenty of us that buy everything hence why there are all these digital shops around
people are going to steal music nowadays regardless since it's so easy and they would be the same people dling vinyl rips from napster and usenet back in the day. why should everyone who uses a format be victim to a generalization when it's a minority doing it? i'm sure there are some vinyl djs out there who nicked wax and played it out. granted alot harder but hell same difference.
sooner or later people who just pop a cd in and act like they are mixing get caught (see chase & status, mistabishi, etc)
a good performance is a good performance regardless of media or what the chin strokers at the back of the club are saying or waiting to post online when they get home instead of dancing.
that's fine, but if i start playing out with a paycheck, then i expect LOADS more on mine than the guy that downloaded the top 30 records and pressed go on his laptop. i'm not generalizing digital DJs, just thieves that aren't DJing. i may actually add a 3rd channel CDJ at some point. i'm keeping a list of the digital only releases i like. i'm ordering the Clubroot 2CD that has 3 bonus tracks alongside the LP, so there's my first "digital" purchase. :p
your logic fails.
