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bunzer0 wrote:

dj $hy wrote:

bunzer0 wrote:my main issue about filthy stuff is purely a semantic one
and am not even speaking about that drumstep ting...
am always wondering where is the DUB ?

got nothing against it even i don't play that stuff myself but i think it is time now for those artists to be fully responsible and to take another name...

calling that dubstep is pretty opportunistic imho

it is a question of sound grammar I would say
all the mid ranges work is coming from d&b so for me it is all disguised d&b in dubstep

sure it works and brings energy to kids on the dancefloor but then when u play deep u got people asking you to play dubstep...
Once I was playing an Horsepower tune and a kid came to me asking me to play dubstep... Made the same effect as someone asking me playing some funk while am playing Sex Machine by James Brown (which happened to me too in another life...)

so I bet it is a mutual misunderstanding cause now they are not the same ting at all anymore...

just my 2 cents

See I dont get that Bun... Cos at what point do you cross a line? Skream tracks for instance are Dubstep but he makes stuff that fit both sides, Raw Dogs, CTO for example. I know they are not AS mental as Mr S maybe but how'd you split them? Same applies to a lot of other "Dubstep" producers too...

just meant intolerance is coming from both sides at different points

Haha soz matey, I read it wrong! .....I'm a bit lean and I'm at work..... Dont tell anyone, especially the fat twat sitting opp me - I've been playing PGA on my iphone all day

2011 is gonna be a great year for diverse music pon the floor! Bless

My mate mentioned this thread yesturday and said about all the valid points naturally had to check it out. Not that my opinion counts for much, but i find lots of djs draw for the hype tunes because it's sure fire shot it will get the crowd going nuts. Also at times its kind of a get out of jail free card when your mind goes blank about the next tune to drop. I hold my hands up i do it myself, even though i know i wouldnt dance to the song if i was in the crowd. Its good to mix things up! Yesturday in the mix my mate was dropping j:kenzo, Search & Destroy, fused forces and it was wicked because it wasnt deep but it still had the same effect! I suppose the best point to make is the production, this is why i constantly draw for tunes which i know id never be able to make. Im not trying to shake the tree, Everyone has a different opinion, but all i know is Im sure even my gran would dance to Dj Madd - Detroit skank hahaha

bunzer0 wrote: sure it works and brings energy to kids on the dancefloor but then when u play deep u got people asking you to play dubstep...
Once I was playing an Horsepower tune and a kid came to me asking me to play dubstep...

I gotta be honest I'm not really into the aggresive/robotic/transformer like tunes coz for me personally, it just sounds bad. But hey music is a personal thing.

But what bunzero said there is why I guess I have a real disliking is when your playing say a digital mystikz tune, or something by Kito, Headhunter or even Skream and people pop their head over the decks and ask for "dubstep" its like "aaaaaaaaww really =/"

kwun-tings wrote:i think that the tear out stuff is generally very unpleasant to listen to, not just in a production quality kind of way but in a physical way. it actually HURTS my eardrums listening to this music.

someone mentioned on the first page, deep heads like the deeper sounds because they thats how it originally sounded and there is a lot of emotion attached to that. i cant agree with this more, i remember my first ever dubstep rave, it was a DMZ @ Mass back in 2006 i think... i have never experienced bass like that!!

now i really dislike how the scene is moving and that people relatively new to the scene just assume dubstep is meant to be chainsaw noises.

there are some tear out producers out there that i do like though, probably because their production is of a good quality.

its quite hard to find tunes that are the 'middle' ground, but there are definitely some out there. i cant get enough of Pinch -swish atm!!

What he said!^^^^

Todays perception of dubstep is way off the mark

instinct wrote:

kwun-tings wrote:i think that the tear out stuff is generally very unpleasant to listen to, not just in a production quality kind of way but in a physical way. it actually HURTS my eardrums listening to this music.

someone mentioned on the first page, deep heads like the deeper sounds because they thats how it originally sounded and there is a lot of emotion attached to that. i cant agree with this more, i remember my first ever dubstep rave, it was a DMZ @ Mass back in 2006 i think... i have never experienced bass like that!!

now i really dislike how the scene is moving and that people relatively new to the scene just assume dubstep is meant to be chainsaw noises.

there are some tear out producers out there that i do like though, probably because their production is of a good quality.

its quite hard to find tunes that are the 'middle' ground, but there are definitely some out there. i cant get enough of Pinch -swish atm!!

What he said!^^^^

Todays perception of dubstep is way off the mark

Are artists like Coki, Tunnidge, Distance ect counted as tearout?

charliefoy wrote:

instinct wrote:

kwun-tings wrote:i think that the tear out stuff is generally very unpleasant to listen to, not just in a production quality kind of way but in a physical way. it actually HURTS my eardrums listening to this music.

someone mentioned on the first page, deep heads like the deeper sounds because they thats how it originally sounded and there is a lot of emotion attached to that. i cant agree with this more, i remember my first ever dubstep rave, it was a DMZ @ Mass back in 2006 i think... i have never experienced bass like that!!

now i really dislike how the scene is moving and that people relatively new to the scene just assume dubstep is meant to be chainsaw noises.

there are some tear out producers out there that i do like though, probably because their production is of a good quality.

its quite hard to find tunes that are the 'middle' ground, but there are definitely some out there. i cant get enough of Pinch -swish atm!!

What he said!^^^^

Todays perception of dubstep is way off the mark

Are artists like Coki, Tunnidge, Distance ect counted as tearout?

Yes but me their purpose is not to pack a maximum of wobbles in a minimum of time without letting space in their tracks. Tunnidge has some heavy basslines but you can enjoy them


Compared to


Get my point ?

@Rönin Yeahh, I think i would count some of them as tear out, but the production quality and weight of the bass just over powers the Excisions/Funtcases/Doctor P's.

charliefoy wrote:@Rönin Yeahh, I think i would count some of them as tear out, but the production quality and weight of the bass just over powers the Excisions/Funtcases/Doctor P's.

yeah well I have lots of respect for Excision, he has his own sound. As for Funtcase, I never heard anything from him so can't tell. About Doctor P... Which bass ?
Dunno it's just not my thing, everytime I go to a party there's always a typical teat-out stuff and I have to wear earplugs. And I completely agree with Bunz, they used the dubstep name to get the hype, now they have it it's time to take some responsibilities

I don't see the importance of knowing where a 'sound comes from'. Shit, you listen to something, you enjoy it, period. No one owes anything to dubstep. Most people listen to music to enjoy it, not to get a history lesson. If you yourself think it's important where the sound came from, for yourself, that's fair enough. But don't project that on anybody else.

Anyway, I think a lot of 'deep heads' hate brostep more than bad 'deep dubstep' 'cause brostep is EVERYWHERE. It's much easier to get annoyed with something you can't really escape it. It's easy to avoid bad deep stuff 'cause it's not played at every festival's dance stage or in every club.

I'm just surprised at how little hate 'future garage' is getting 'cause most of it is every bit as formulaic and predictable and downright cheesy like all the brostep is. Literally. Such a sterile sound with only very few doing it 'right'.

Genevieve wrote:I don't see the importance of knowing where a 'sound comes from'. Shit, you listen to something, you enjoy it, period. No one owes anything to dubstep. Most people listen to music to enjoy it, not to get a history lesson. If you yourself think it's important where the sound came from, for yourself, that's fair enough. But don't project that on anybody else.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that, if you love a type of music so much you'd sign up to a forum dedicated to it, you love it enough to want to listen to as much of it, and know as much about it as possible....??

herbalicious wrote:

Genevieve wrote:I don't see the importance of knowing where a 'sound comes from'. Shit, you listen to something, you enjoy it, period. No one owes anything to dubstep. Most people listen to music to enjoy it, not to get a history lesson. If you yourself think it's important where the sound came from, for yourself, that's fair enough. But don't project that on anybody else.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that, if you love a type of music so much you'd sign up to a forum dedicated to it, you love it enough to want to listen to as much of it, and know as much about it as possible....??

Well, simply put, that's you. But plenty of people don't care. Maybe a lot of them just want to hear more wobbles and yoys, or share their own music, or get some free dubs from producers here to DJ out. Or hell, some people may just think it's a nice community.

Point is, not everyone cares about the history of the music they like and that's their right and we shouldn't force that upon them.

The argument isn't even restricted to dubstep or this forum. People just generally care for different things seeing as they're all different people. Some just like to listen to music, others like to research it. Given the tremendous boost in popularity of dubstep in 2010 and the ignorance of what the sound was originally all about, I think it's safe to say that most people just really like to listen to the music and very few care about its history.

Genevieve wrote:

herbalicious wrote:

Genevieve wrote:I don't see the importance of knowing where a 'sound comes from'. Shit, you listen to something, you enjoy it, period. No one owes anything to dubstep. Most people listen to music to enjoy it, not to get a history lesson. If you yourself think it's important where the sound came from, for yourself, that's fair enough. But don't project that on anybody else.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that, if you love a type of music so much you'd sign up to a forum dedicated to it, you love it enough to want to listen to as much of it, and know as much about it as possible....??

Well, simply put, that's you. But plenty of people don't care. Maybe a lot of them just want to hear more wobbles and yoys, or share their own music, or get some free dubs from producers here to DJ out. Or hell, some people may just think it's a nice community.

Point is, not everyone cares about the history of the music they like and that's their right and we shouldn't force that upon them.

The argument isn't even restricted to dubstep or this forum. People just generally care for different things seeing as they're all different people. Some just like to listen to music, others like to research it. Given the tremendous boost in popularity of dubstep in 2010 and the ignorance of what the sound was originally all about, I think it's safe to say that most people just really like to listen to the music and very few care about its history.

In this case the very sound of dubstep is tightly related to its history...

Rönin wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

herbalicious wrote:

Genevieve wrote:I don't see the importance of knowing where a 'sound comes from'. Shit, you listen to something, you enjoy it, period. No one owes anything to dubstep. Most people listen to music to enjoy it, not to get a history lesson. If you yourself think it's important where the sound came from, for yourself, that's fair enough. But don't project that on anybody else.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that, if you love a type of music so much you'd sign up to a forum dedicated to it, you love it enough to want to listen to as much of it, and know as much about it as possible....??

Well, simply put, that's you. But plenty of people don't care. Maybe a lot of them just want to hear more wobbles and yoys, or share their own music, or get some free dubs from producers here to DJ out. Or hell, some people may just think it's a nice community.

Point is, not everyone cares about the history of the music they like and that's their right and we shouldn't force that upon them.

The argument isn't even restricted to dubstep or this forum. People just generally care for different things seeing as they're all different people. Some just like to listen to music, others like to research it. Given the tremendous boost in popularity of dubstep in 2010 and the ignorance of what the sound was originally all about, I think it's safe to say that most people just really like to listen to the music and very few care about its history.

In this case the very sound of dubstep is tightly related to its history...

Every sound is related to its history. Doesn't change the fact that people have the right to choose what they care about and what they don't.

Can we get an agreed explanation to exactly what a 'deep head' is? the more these threads go on the more it seems to be 'deep' vs 'filth'. i don't understand this as i am not a 'deep' head, i like what in my opinion is the true dubstep sound. I wouldn't classify some skream, kromestar, coki, vexd etc etc as deep, but their production values and general sound fit into what the original scene was about, not just the music, the culture etc.

Also, people talk about evolution of the sound, and yes tearout is a product of this, but where is the evolution in tearout??! it seems to be the same sounds, just in a slightly different melody (if you can call it that), and with the same formula (snare on the 3rd intro, big drop, done). if evolution is moshing, glowsticks, and leaving retarded youtube comments then that's a very sad state of affairs. end of the day it is only music, but it's getting to the stage where if someone asks what i listen to i am embarrassed to mention dubstep any more.

Genevieve wrote:

Rönin wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

herbalicious wrote:

Genevieve wrote:I don't see the importance of knowing where a 'sound comes from'. Shit, you listen to something, you enjoy it, period. No one owes anything to dubstep. Most people listen to music to enjoy it, not to get a history lesson. If you yourself think it's important where the sound came from, for yourself, that's fair enough. But don't project that on anybody else.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that, if you love a type of music so much you'd sign up to a forum dedicated to it, you love it enough to want to listen to as much of it, and know as much about it as possible....??

Well, simply put, that's you. But plenty of people don't care. Maybe a lot of them just want to hear more wobbles and yoys, or share their own music, or get some free dubs from producers here to DJ out. Or hell, some people may just think it's a nice community.

Point is, not everyone cares about the history of the music they like and that's their right and we shouldn't force that upon them.

The argument isn't even restricted to dubstep or this forum. People just generally care for different things seeing as they're all different people. Some just like to listen to music, others like to research it. Given the tremendous boost in popularity of dubstep in 2010 and the ignorance of what the sound was originally all about, I think it's safe to say that most people just really like to listen to the music and very few care about its history.

In this case the very sound of dubstep is tightly related to its history...

Every sound is related to its history. Doesn't change the fact that people have the right to choose what they care about and what they don't.

Again that's your point of view. As a former chainsaw-wobbles listener I can say: If I hadn't found out about Horsepower Porductions, El-B and all dubstep's history, I would'nt even have listened to a tiny porcent of the genre. And I feel like some people would get fully into this sound too, but are blinded by all that marketing around the brostep sound. But then you're right, people have the right to choose between listen only to what stays in the limelight and listen to a genre in its entirety

herbalicious wrote:

badger wrote:

dj $hy wrote:I think its important to know where the sound has come from but I'd have said that if the younger or newer ears were anything like me they would have searched and found the older stuff in days!

Yep pretty much this. I came to the scene late (about '08), but being the sort of person I am, I immediately look back. I've put so much time and effort into looking at the roots, early days and progression of this sound that it makes it all the more amazing to me.

I still think the best musical period of the scene was '04-'06 and could listen to those tunes forever...it's a shame a lot of people who come across this music now may never come to appreciate those tunes...or in a lot of cases...even ever hear them.

I think this is key. If someone were to go back and properly listen to those tunes back then...and still don't like them? Fair play. But I'd imagine it would change the views and tastes of a lot of kids if they did.

'07 for me, but I instantly looked back and deeper. Maybe that's just me but it's necessary to know the root right? And then I found the best music I've heard in my life still gutted that I can't find some music back

DEEP HEADS

There's more to this music than deep or hype...

Genevieve wrote:Maybe a lot of them just want to hear more wobbles and yoys

I don't think it hurts to use a bit of bitcrushing but some producers rinse that technique out way too much and play way too many different notes using the same sound - sounds sooo fucking retarded doy-doy-duh-duh-duh-duh-doyyeeee-yoy-doy but at the same time can sometimes be quite amusing to listen to