Do you actually buy software?

[deadly_habit]

worth noting that even when you buy it, most software license agreements clearly state, they haven't sold you the software. They sold you the rights to use their software. they packaged it up and delivered it to you but you don't own it. You own a license to use it. cuz obviously a plastic disc and some binary doesn't hold the value, the value is in what it does and knowing what to do with it

as a 16 year old i probably would have had a more rebellious "fuck them corporations" attitude. Then i went to business school where i learned that capitalism isn't evil... I worked hard, graduated, got a good job, worked even harder, and replaced my reason crack with a 100% legit system, and besides the obvious advantages to that (discounts, upgrades, crossgrades, refills, tech support), I'm also very proud of it..... maturation and education can do wonders for one's attitude.

yea except EULA doesn't supersede law and here in the states it varies state to state, which is why you see people getting away legally with jailbreaking devices

also i'm guessing some of you unemployed non paid youngsters have current gen gaming systems and regularly get some sort of entertainment allowance or video games etc that could be saved up or diverted (that is unless all your systems are modded and you pirate all that stuff too)

[djbmc]

at least he's being honest, no need to gang up on the guy i can't realistically see anyone buying expensive audio software when they're 16 and working for their dad for free (LOL at that part tho, ur dad is mugging you off mate)

lol u mixed up two stories man...its all good tho

o did i? woops

[JBE]

The funny thing is that all the people that are pirating this software most likely can't even use it. If you can't do anything with the freeware, you aren't gonna do shit with the programs you are pirating. A lot of freeware is simple, and basic, and that's what puts people off. But I think a lot of people seem to forget that all synths, even the most professional of them, are all built entirely on those basics. Frankly this is why I'm not shelling out hundreds of dollars for the professional synths, not just because I can't really afford them. If I can get one at a steal price like when I picked up Z3ta+ for 20 bucks, then I'll grab it, but my abilities with sound design are enough for me to know that at this point having it isn't going to help me in anyway.

In the end, the vast majority of those pirating the software are going to use them only for presets and the few videos where people give them step by step directions on how to make one specific sound. They think having massive will instantly allow them to create music like Datsik/Excision. After a month of failing most of them will probably give up.

As for those that think that they are taking nothing from the creators because they never would have bought it in the first place are very naive. The fact of the matter is, if you create anything with this software, you are gaining from their work without giving them anything. If you wouldn't have paid for it in the first place, then you never would have created what you created either. That's the entire idea. You pay for their product because it allows you to create what you are creating. Even if it's just a hobby. Think of it as any other hobby. If you like to fish you go out and get yourself a rod, and a reel. If you can't afford lures or live bait, you can go dig yourself up some worms for free. Will they be as good as the lures you buy at a store? Maybe not, but it's free, and it gets the job done.

[jrisreal]

Hey I have a question...a few years ago, my parents got me the software "ACID Music Studio 7.0" and I made some extremely amateur hiphop beats with it...so I pirated fl studio because I heard it was much better...but I feel bad and now I am seriously considering going back to ACID 7.0, but then I'll have to go through another 3 years of learning the software because I don't know how to do much in ACID anymore...can anybody tell me how to quickly and smoothly transition between them? and if not, ill use fl studio to save money to buy fl studio i guess...

[Pedro Sánchez]

Hey I have a question...a few years ago, my parents got me the software "ACID Music Studio 7.0" and I made some extremely amateur hiphop beats with it...so I pirated fl studio because I heard it was much better...but I feel bad and now I am seriously considering going back to ACID 7.0, but then I'll have to go through another 3 years of learning the software because I don't know how to do much in ACID anymore...can anybody tell me how to quickly and smoothly transition between them? and if not, ill use fl studio to save money to buy fl studio i guess...

You learn the principles of what you are doing, not the mouse clicks and keystrokes it takes to do it. i.e. A compressor theoretically still does the same thing no matter what the DAW calls the threshold meter, a parametric EQ is still a parametric EQ, no matter what the gui looks like, so you learn what a parametric EQ does and how it differs to other types of EQ, as apposed to learning that if you dial in a setting it gives you that desired effect. If that makes sense.

[nowaysj]

I posted a response to your question jr, but it seems like this virus infected forum ate it.

I'd like to contradict Pedro up there (you need to quit the caffeine bro). While it is true that principles learned on one device are transferable to another, intimate knowledge of how the specific device sounds under varying conditions is a knowledge that doesn't necessarily come quickly, or easily. So if you go back to acid, you'll know how a compressor works, but you'll really have to relearn how their compressor sounds and works.

Switching daws, especially after working in one for several years is an extreme ball ache. Honestly I'd take a few quick kicks to the nuts if I could instantly learn live inside and out. There are like ten million switches and knobs and workflow variations within a daw, in my opinion it takes a couple of years to get really solidly familiar with a daw. So I wouldn't recommend switching.

Look, flstudio is inexpensive. Buy that shit ONLINE. You will have lifetime free upgrades. That is an amazing thing. Do you want to buy your daw again every couple of years? Hellz of no. Just buy the producer edition, that will have an expanded solid tool set included. Honestly, it might seem like a lot of money but enhanced saving and earning (hustling) will get it to you in no time. Just take small steps towards your goal. Honestly, I'm not your dad, you can trust me on that one.

I bought flstudio in 1999 for $99 and I am still getting upgrades, my shit is completely up to date. Contrast that with logic, which I bought around the same time... $700 and they soon dumped the pc platform entirely. What a waste of money. neway

[Pedro Sánchez]

I posted a response to your question jr, but it seems like this virus infected forum ate it.

I'd like to contradict Pedro up there (you need to quit the caffeine bro). While it is true that principles learned on one device are transferable to another, intimate knowledge of how the specific device sounds under varying conditions is a knowledge that doesn't necessarily come quickly, or easily. So if you go back to acid, you'll know how a compressor works, but you'll really have to relearn how their compressor sounds and works.

Really, so the underling principles of what compression does isn't the same in all DAWS? I mean sure different ones have different characteristics but the goals of a compressor are the same regardless of DAW, brand or model. You may have to adjust to the variation of characteristics and quirk of each but you don't have to relearn what Ratio, Threshold and Gain mean.

Edit: fuck it, this one is tailing off topic.

[jrisreal]

Edit: fuck it, this one is tailing off topic.

Sorry thats my fault

[aeser]

bought all the stuff i use, came from a hardware studio background and this stuff is so friggin cheap compared to hardware that does 1/20th as much, figured i might as well. plus from the whole "if you don't pay for it the companies that make it make no money and thus stop making awesome stuff like this" standpoint.

[Grime Syndicate]

I actually have had much more trouble with freeware not working than i've ever had with any cracked software. I run a tight ship though with aggressive antivirus/antimalware software and practices. However, I'm not saying it's right or good. I fully intend to work my way into a 100% legal setup... Case in point, (but there are a ton) Peach and Toad just will not work properly on my system. Many other freeware downloads have ended with the same sad story. Dunno if it's cuz I'm running Vista (32 bit, so it shouldn't be a big deal) or what the problem is, but yeah, very little luck with the freeware. TAL being the main glaring exception, as their stuff is great...

[futures_untold]

I've had a few freeware plugs cause greif too...

Shame, becuase one of the best samplers I ever came across was one of the worst plugs for crashing my host

[Grime Syndicate]

I've had a few freeware plugs cause greif too...

Shame, becuase one of the best samplers I ever came across was one of the worst plugs for crashing my host

care to share which one? and your host... aren't you a reaper man?

[futures_untold]

Sure.

Sampler is called FLoscPLoSkan made by http://www.oitodigiarts.xpg.com.br/. Sadly, they didn't respond to a single email I sent regarding the crashes and other improvements include labelling the GUI properly, creating a user manual and changing their shit website so it doesn't use frames.

So sad, because if you get the plugin working without crashes and play about with it for a bit, you'll discover that it's capable of some bizare sounds considering the initial sample you've loaded into it.

I think that Mb Crushy (awesome distortion) and Novaflash RSP 01 (awesome ringmod) also crashed my Reaper. Maybe Reaper is just shit?!!

[Grime Syndicate]

Doubtful... I'm convinced all DAW's are quirky and are, as of yet, still imperfect. I've considered quite heavily the building of a team to design a new DAW to address the flaws which plague all DAW's (though of course, each comes with its own set of irritating quirks), with a few twists that my lawyers recommend I don't mention until a patent is in place. Anyways, freeware, like i mentioned earlier, is great. It just seems no one is motivated to iron out the kinks when there's no carrot dangling. Just my 2 cents...

Edit: oops, i meant that its doubtful that Reaper is the source of your troubles. Just as its doubtful that Ableton is the source of mine.