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Toric wrote:going through each part over and over untill it sounded awesome.

Wait, what?

I do think that he has definitely resampled some of the Skrillex bass sounds (Check his track P.A.R.T.Y. for some sounds taken from Skrillex's La Roux remix), but however he uses them to good effect, mixing them with presumably his own patches which I do think he made himself, you can hear some pretty sick original synth sounds mixed in with the samples. It is a similar sound to Skrillex but I think it is a pretty cool twist on it, with the minor zombie like leads, which could develop into his own style in the future. I don't think he deserves any of the hate he is getting, people copy other peoples styles all the time, and a lot of big artists have resampled other artists tracks, it would be a different story if he had poorly used them, but he only uses the samples in glitch sequences, which does sound awesome in my opinion.

Toric wrote:It's easy to do what he did.

You know what he did? He spent time and put effort into a track. More time than most people would think. going through each part over and over untill it sounded awesome.

Then I can almost bet you he sent it off to get mastered, and maybe mixed again before that.


Point being, spend time with your creations. Mix them, mix them again, make more than one mix and then go through and find the one that's best (save new mixes by saving a separate project file for each new mix). EQ things, mess with dynamics.

why don't you do this then?

reason on a macbook

Numan wrote:reason on a macbook

Hold up, he uses Reason? He must ReWire it into Logic because all his sounds sound like they were made in Massive.

GothamHero wrote:

Numan wrote:reason on a macbook

Hold up, he uses Reason? He must ReWire it into Logic because all his sounds sound like they were made in Massive.

Agreed 100%. I've been using Reason for over 4 years and I guarantee that his bass sounds aren't all made in Reason, he must rewire/resample from Massive.

I've made a lot of dirty basses, but you just can't make the kind that he does in Reason.

hutyluty wrote:

Toric wrote:It's easy to do what he did.

You know what he did? He spent time and put effort into a track. More time than most people would think. going through each part over and over untill it sounded awesome.

Then I can almost bet you he sent it off to get mastered, and maybe mixed again before that.


Point being, spend time with your creations. Mix them, mix them again, make more than one mix and then go through and find the one that's best (save new mixes by saving a separate project file for each new mix). EQ things, mess with dynamics.

why don't you do this then?

All of the songs on our soundcloud are demos. Something we threw together in a few days at my house. The album tracks are combinations of parts from each demo and we've been working on that in our studio on Paradise Valley Community College. Until we've got them done, I don't think we're going to release them.

This is a technique I learned from the Metal industry, and I don't know why it wouldn't work for dance music. Launch demos, then launch finished songs.

Noisestorm wrote:

GothamHero wrote:

Numan wrote:reason on a macbook

Hold up, he uses Reason? He must ReWire it into Logic because all his sounds sound like they were made in Massive.

Agreed 100%. I've been using Reason for over 4 years and I guarantee that his bass sounds aren't all made in Reason, he must rewire/resample from Massive.

I've made a lot of dirty basses, but you just can't make the kind that he does in Reason.

You can't.

Toric wrote:I don't see what all the hubub is about.

It's easy to do what he did.

You know what he did? He spent time and put effort into a track. More time than most people would think. going through each part over and over untill it sounded awesome.

Then I can almost bet you he sent it off to get mastered, and maybe mixed again before that.


Point being, spend time with your creations. Mix them, mix them again, make more than one mix and then go through and find the one that's best (save new mixes by saving a separate project file for each new mix). EQ things, mess with dynamics.

Or you can just keep posting on DSF about how some new artist sucks...

Both of them will get you to where you need to go.

-T

Dude it is REALLY funny how you come here and think you're the new God of thunder. LOL.

Toric wrote:

hutyluty wrote:

Toric wrote:It's easy to do what he did.

You know what he did? He spent time and put effort into a track. More time than most people would think. going through each part over and over untill it sounded awesome.

Then I can almost bet you he sent it off to get mastered, and maybe mixed again before that.


Point being, spend time with your creations. Mix them, mix them again, make more than one mix and then go through and find the one that's best (save new mixes by saving a separate project file for each new mix). EQ things, mess with dynamics.

why don't you do this then?

All of the songs on our soundcloud are demos. Something we threw together in a few days at my house. The album tracks are combinations of parts from each demo and we've been working on that in our studio on Paradise Valley Community College. Until we've got them done, I don't think we're going to release them.

This is a technique I learned from the Metal industry, and I don't know why it wouldn't work for dance music. Launch demos, then launch finished songs.

well in the metal scene this happens because the band write songs and then record them thereselves or quite cheap, and thats a demo. then if they release them thereselves or get like signed or summat, then they would record the songs they pick for the album in a proper studio, and record it proper for release. with electronic music, people make them in their bedrooms (usually) so they can do a full completed tune on their computer themselves, so why not just make the tune finished, instead of doing it not that good, letting people listen and them make it better? I can understand maybe that you could make a tune, and then put it up on soundcloud or whatever send it out, then someone wants to release it, but then you have improved at tune making so may update it.

but if you can make the tune as good as it can be from the off why not?

skimpi wrote:

Toric wrote:

hutyluty wrote:

Toric wrote:It's easy to do what he did.

You know what he did? He spent time and put effort into a track. More time than most people would think. going through each part over and over untill it sounded awesome.

Then I can almost bet you he sent it off to get mastered, and maybe mixed again before that.


Point being, spend time with your creations. Mix them, mix them again, make more than one mix and then go through and find the one that's best (save new mixes by saving a separate project file for each new mix). EQ things, mess with dynamics.

why don't you do this then?

All of the songs on our soundcloud are demos. Something we threw together in a few days at my house. The album tracks are combinations of parts from each demo and we've been working on that in our studio on Paradise Valley Community College. Until we've got them done, I don't think we're going to release them.

This is a technique I learned from the Metal industry, and I don't know why it wouldn't work for dance music. Launch demos, then launch finished songs.

well in the metal scene this happens because the band write songs and then record them thereselves or quite cheap, and thats a demo. then if they release them thereselves or get like signed or summat, then they would record the songs they pick for the album in a proper studio, and record it proper for release. with electronic music, people make them in their bedrooms (usually) so they can do a full completed tune on their computer themselves, so why not just make the tune finished, instead of doing it not that good, letting people listen and them make it better? I can understand maybe that you could make a tune, and then put it up on soundcloud or whatever send it out, then someone wants to release it, but then you have improved at tune making so may update it.

but if you can make the tune as good as it can be from the off why not?

Because it takes time, and the point of the demos was to create a sound. It's about pumping out as much music as you can, going back and finding what you did right and wrong, and then learning and BUILDING from that. So basically you'll hear bits of each of those demos scattered through the final album.

It's just a way for us to put something on the internet quickly. It's kinda dirty and lazy, but it gets the job done. Make it sound as good as you can in that day, and then put it up on sound cloud for feedback.

That's just how we chose to do it.

What you said at first is exactly what I'm doing. I'm recording and writing everything for quite cheap, and then using the studio I have access to and doing all of the mixing and mastering work.

We use a four stage attempt at getting a song ready for release.

Experimentations (demos)
Arrangement
Mixing
Mastering

Hope this answers your question!

-T

demos in electronica... not as far as i know. Electronica is about production... Demos are for songwriting

Zombiy uses logic along with komPlete 8 , native logic plugins, and cAmelphat. That is all he uses

As a metal musician I can tell you that metal songwriting tactics don't really apply to electronic songs. I spend a LOT of time perfecting my stuff before I put it up, if a mix sounds a certain way it's because I wanted it to, in metal your equipment or studio time may be limited, or you may not have access to a producer to pretty them up, but in electronic music there is no excuse, if your music sounds shitty or like a "demo" It is either intentional or due to your own fault in the production process. Period. Long gone are the days where you need a Mastering engineer or a studio to pump out nice, polished tracks.

Noisestorm wrote:I do think that he has definitely resampled some of the Skrillex bass sounds (Check his track P.A.R.T.Y. for some sounds taken from Skrillex's La Roux remix), but however he uses them to good effect, mixing them with presumably his own patches which I do think he made himself, you can hear some pretty sick original synth sounds mixed in with the samples. It is a similar sound to Skrillex but I think it is a pretty cool twist on it, with the minor zombie like leads, which could develop into his own style in the future. I don't think he deserves any of the hate he is getting, people copy other peoples styles all the time, and a lot of big artists have resampled other artists tracks, it would be a different story if he had poorly used them, but he only uses the samples in glitch sequences, which does sound awesome in my opinion.

Which artists sample other artists' releases from less than a year ago for use in a track of the same exact style?

Dude's a joke.

Also, now he's remixing Skrillex:

You guys all have your panties in a bunch over some kid who nobody will know in like... 3 months. Go make music.

Kes-Es wrote:As a metal musician I can tell you that metal songwriting tactics don't really apply to electronic songs. I spend a LOT of time perfecting my stuff before I put it up, if a mix sounds a certain way it's because I wanted it to, in metal your equipment or studio time may be limited, or you may not have access to a producer to pretty them up, but in electronic music there is no excuse, if your music sounds shitty or like a "demo" It is either intentional or due to your own fault in the production process. Period. Long gone are the days where you need a Mastering engineer or a studio to pump out nice, polished tracks.

This. I was in punk/metal bands for years before I started making dance.

therapist wrote:

Noisestorm wrote:

GothamHero wrote:

Numan wrote:reason on a macbook

Hold up, he uses Reason? He must ReWire it into Logic because all his sounds sound like they were made in Massive.

Agreed 100%. I've been using Reason for over 4 years and I guarantee that his bass sounds aren't all made in Reason, he must rewire/resample from Massive.

I've made a lot of dirty basses, but you just can't make the kind that he does in Reason.

You can't.

Actually, I can come very close, I did make a Skrillex-esqe track(don't ask why), and I came up with some big sounds in Reason, here is proof: http://youtu.be/LCboHN7e670 or Souncloud: Soundcloud

It's just extremely difficult to get a sound as clear and big as Zomboy does, only using Reason's limited tools.

Damn noisestorm you got quite a following! Great track btw!

Noisestorm wrote:

therapist wrote:

Noisestorm wrote:

GothamHero wrote:

Numan wrote:reason on a macbook

Hold up, he uses Reason? He must ReWire it into Logic because all his sounds sound like they were made in Massive.

Agreed 100%. I've been using Reason for over 4 years and I guarantee that his bass sounds aren't all made in Reason, he must rewire/resample from Massive.

I've made a lot of dirty basses, but you just can't make the kind that he does in Reason.

You can't.

Actually, I can come very close, I did make a Skrillex-esqe track(don't ask why), and I came up with some big sounds in Reason, here is proof: http://youtu.be/LCboHN7e670 or Souncloud: Soundcloud

It's just extremely difficult to get a sound as clear and big as Zomboy does, only using Reason's limited tools.

nice track sounds good!.. plus I use reason and I imagine if you resampled and knew what you were doing then the sounds Zomboy make are very much possible..
I do feel sorry for him though I mean it does sound like he samples Skrillex but he denies it and no-one has proof so been accused of that 24/7 must be frustrating its happened to me a few times and I sound nothing like Skrillex and it pisses me off so yeah apparently anything remotely 'heavy' sounds like Skrillex these days :/