BURIAL

[stormfield]

was listening to it on the headphones while running to a gig. The sounds in this album 'mix' well with London street noises and passing traffic...

I even stopped a few times to check some noises were on the album or from something next to me!

[tusk]

has anybody tried playing out anything off the album yet? The record is fantastic but im having a difficult time finding a spot for any of it in a set. Probably due to the idiosyncratic nature of the production and the non linear track structures.

[mudda]

Is it neccessarily 'dancefloor' music? It may have the same elements as some of the more acknowledged beats, but to me it comes across as an aural documentation of a certain London and the music/s it has spawned: a documentary for the ears.

[boomnoise]

was listening to it on the headphones while running to a gig. The sounds in this album 'mix' well with London street noises and passing traffic...

I even stopped a few times to check some noises were on the album or from something next to me!

i love experiencing this. the whole sonic physchogeography thing. the burial album in particular is one i intend to listen to about town a lot. i have a penchant for walking over the london bridges listening to dubstep. preferrably at night.

anyone fancy a dubstepforum sonic derive around london?

[robjc]

"anyone fancy a dubstepforum sonic derive around london?"

Was that meant to be drive?

[boomnoise]

nope. i meant dérive. should have included the accent.

it's a term used by the situationists, coined by guy debord.

http://library.nothingness.org/articles ... isplay/314

stormfield's post conjured this up for me.

[robjc]

So the premise is that you do the same journeys every day - home to work to sandwich shop to work to home, etc, and a dérive is breaking out of this pattern. It doesn't necessarily equate to deviant or random behaviour, or necessarily involve chance based choices to break the non-dérive cycle, but it helps.
I can sort of see where you are going with this, as Burial is a very urban atmospheric (a bit like hearing cars drive by with the stereo on and the sound up mised in with the urban soundscape).
The issue I have with this is analogy that it has been tried before, and can soon endup an some sort of chinstroking interpretation of urbanlife. Burial works with us as we live in or near the urban environment that Burial creates in, but perhaps that where it might stop for other people.

Or perhaps not.....

[boomnoise]

So the premise is that you do the same journeys every day - home to work to sandwich shop to work to home, etc, and a dérive is breaking out of this pattern. It doesn't necessarily equate to deviant or random behaviour, or necessarily involve chance based choices to break the non-dérive cycle, but it helps.
I can sort of see where you are going with this, as Burial is a very urban atmospheric (a bit like hearing cars drive by with the stereo on and the sound up mised in with the urban soundscape).
The issue I have with this is analogy that it has been tried before, and can soon endup an some sort of chinstroking interpretation of urbanlife. Burial works with us as we live in or near the urban environment that Burial creates in, but perhaps that where it might stop for other people.

Or perhaps not.....

I wasn't really trying to be analagous with it, more thinking about the way in which listening to the Burial record I feel and sense London breathing in someway. I think it would be interesting to simply drift purposelessly around London whilst listening to it. The dérive is an interesting concept but i'm not trying to be academic with it.

Curious to what you reference as being tried before. And i agree, that there is a danger of chin-stroking. but the dérive is an effort against that. It was about praxis, the notion of putting theory into practice.

I'm not saying that listening to the Burial album whilst drifitng around London will give anyone a greater understanding of the urban environment, just that it might be a great way of listening to the record, with, as stormfield observed, the sounds of london infiltrating the mix.

[doomstep]

The issue I have with this is analogy that it has been tried before, and can soon endup an some sort of chinstroking interpretation of urbanlife.

Sorry t interupt, really interesting disscussion this, forget the SI tho, get a book called 'Lipstick Traces' by G. Marcus, dunno if the Letterist Internationals 'lifestyle' of the constant dérive was chinstroking, as most of the members ended up pretty worse for wear . . . . casulaties on the frontier of the North-West Passage

[robjc]

Not that Burial is like any of the below>>>

The chinstroking part was intended to reference that sometimes trying to fit music to something bigger than one theme can lead to some pretty tenuous links.

Can't think of an examples of the top, but I can remember efforts to compose music to represent a facet if life in general and it sounding so-up its own arse is was like modern dance.

Almost like the aural equivalent of wine tasting ("oh, I can taste petrol, cut grass, beech undertones, with a hint of vigins piss", etc...

Do you think the Diceman was a dérive in its most extreme form?

[robjc]

"to the Burial record I feel and sense London breathing in someway"

However, this is a good analogy - you should get this printed on the front of the CD packaging, for a fee of course...

[boomnoise]

Sorry t interupt,

you're not interupting, you're joining in! that book looks reallly interesting. i know a bit of marcus' stuff but not this.

"Punk, Dadaism, the situationists, medieval heretics and the Knights of the Round Table" how can it be bad!? Will check it.

Continuing the discusion upthread. I'm curious to hear how/where people have been listening to the Burial record. Obviously people will be mainly at home but has anyone taken any interesting car journeys, public transport journeys etc?

The music isn't necessarily club music, which is not to say it hasn't worked when kode's dropped bits at dmz but i think as an album, it can take on different resonances in different contexts.

[boomnoise]

"to the Burial record I feel and sense London breathing in someway"

However, this is a good analogy - you should get this printed on the front of the CD packaging, for a fee of course...

i think there are better ways of putting it and they have been mentioned already elsewhere but i've been asking mates in glasgow and newcastle what they think of the record and it's not the same for them. i'm asking people who 'hate garage/love dubstep' and the record is not the same for them either but nonetheless they are affected by the album deeply. so in so much burial is a cultural product of london, it is not for london. i'm totally enthused by the variety of personal responses burial's music is getting.

[m9918868]

anyone fancy a dubstepforum sonic derive around london?

Maybe you should ask Simon Pope to join.

[stormfield]

track 11 - Prayer - is battering my head in.... love it

[robjc]

Back from the Pub after a few pints.......

Boomnoise - the problem is at the moment most people have the Kode9 burial mix in their heads - its like a flow of conciousness (probably spelt wrong) that creates an overall urban picture. In my opinion its beautiful picture rather than bleak urban nightmare that some might interpret it as. It should be evaluated on it own merits rather than from a disparate viewpoint (as in from people in another city). Lets not set the agenda before they form an opinion - good music will out......

[corpsey]

What's the tune about 4:20 into the Burial breezeblock mix?

[Jubz]

What's the tune about 4:20 into the Burial breezeblock mix?

YOUR FACE.

[corpsey]

What's the tune about 4:20 into the Burial breezeblock mix?

YOUR FACE.

Heavy tune, pretty face.

Here's another question for jubscarz: who out of the two of us is seeing digi mystikz doing a 2 hour set tonight?

Hahaahha

[robjc]

We really should warn Mala before he enters the Sh*thole called Nottingham.

Only kidding....