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I agree with this. Whether I'm listening to mixes, or dancing at a gig, the medium is secondary to the actual music.VirtualMark wrote: I'd rather HEAR someone play an amazing set, i don't care what they play it on.
As i say its about the music but i appreciate whats going on alot more if its harder to do.VirtualMark wrote:I'd rather HEAR someone play an amazing set, i don't care what they play it on.JTMMusicuk wrote:would you rather see someone play an amazing set with vinyl or a shitty one on a laptop?mikeyp wrote:would you rather see someone play an awesome set on a laptop or a shitty one on vinyl?
also, where the fuck did this idea that all you need to do with a controller is hit sync and play?
myself and my buddy work our fucking asses off with a controller. obviously not everyone does, and there are probably more "djs" out there not doing shit with them but come on
see, nobody arguing in favor of controllers ever actually instigates or starts the war. they're always on the defensive. I respect the hell out of anyone no matter what they use if they do it well. However it doesn't seem to work that way with the hardcore vinyl guys. and if you see someone saying the modern technology is better 100% of the time they're just a tnuc anyway.Rekah wrote:this thread makes me frustrated, now i know why i stopped coming on dsf and to those that are arguing that mp3 is better than vinyl i think you need to just accept your wrong in this case
this was the point where this topic got out of hand:mikeyp wrote:see, nobody arguing in favor of controllers ever actually instigates or starts the war. they're always on the defensive.
and i don't care which medium anyone uses. but if you call yourself a dj and don't even have the slightest idea of the basics of djing (what are djs doing when...?), well something's wrong then...This thread makes me so happy that vinyl is obsolete and beatmatching is on its way out.
wish I had thoughi got two technics 1210s for £270 last week and my mixer was only £60Hircine wrote:to all vinyl vs digital vs wav vs mp3 discussions:
I really don't have 2100 pounds to buy two turntables and mixer
also that paradox live setup is an ancient version of a ableton live set.
damn right it is, and more stableHircine wrote:to all vinyl vs digital vs wav vs mp3 discussions:
I really don't have 2100 pounds to buy two turntables and mixer
also that paradox live setup is an ancient version of a ableton live set.
True, but I could hook up my laptop and start Itunes and you'll hear some great music tooElectric_Head wrote:One of the best sets I've heard was at a large outdoor party.
It was a group from France called Tripiatric.
Very psy orientated Techno.
I couldn't even see the 2 guys in the group but oh my the music they played was incredible.
That is music transcending medium.
I bought: two turntables, 2 mixers, an audio 8 dj and all cabling for €800,-JTMMusicuk wrote:i got two technics 1210s for £270 last week and my mixer was only £60Hircine wrote:to all vinyl vs digital vs wav vs mp3 discussions:
I really don't have 2100 pounds to buy two turntables and mixer
been posting from my phone, forgot that was said. but he fits into that group of people I mentioned who are just dumbasses.baddis98 wrote:this was the point where this topic got out of hand:mikeyp wrote:see, nobody arguing in favor of controllers ever actually instigates or starts the war. they're always on the defensive.and i don't care which medium anyone uses. but if you call yourself a dj and don't even have the slightest idea of the basics of djing (what are djs doing when...?), well something's wrong then...This thread makes me so happy that vinyl is obsolete and beatmatching is on its way out.
I've heard shitty sets on both vinyl and digital. I've also heard amazing sets on both vinyl and digital. If it were up to me, I would rather hear a great vinyl set, because the ratio of amazing to shit tunes found on vinyl is much higher than that same ratio for digital. Also, there is also just a higher likelyhood that you're going to hear a better set with vinyl, just because the effort of collecting records and buying turntables would result in a higher chance of beatmatching being good by the person since they have already put in so much effort to prepare for djing, as opposed to a digital set where getting tunes is laughably easy and buying equipment could cost as low as $100, so the lack of effort is probably mirrored in the quality of the set.VirtualMark wrote:I'd rather HEAR someone play an amazing set, i don't care what they play it on.JTMMusicuk wrote:would you rather see someone play an amazing set with vinyl or a shitty one on a laptop?mikeyp wrote:would you rather see someone play an awesome set on a laptop or a shitty one on vinyl?
also, where the fuck did this idea that all you need to do with a controller is hit sync and play?
myself and my buddy work our fucking asses off with a controller. obviously not everyone does, and there are probably more "djs" out there not doing shit with them but come on
So listening to vinyl is better for your health? And more rewarding? What about when you can't see inside the dj booth, are the health benefits still there if they're playing on vinyl?ninjadog wrote:Digital compared to analog is like comparing GMO to organic food. On one hand it takes a lot of hard work with plenty of variables to screw things up, but the end result is more rewarding and better for you. The other is quick, easy and cheap and most won't be able to tell any difference, especially when they are raised on it
wwwmoo wrote:I've heard shitty sets on both vinyl and digital. I've also heard amazing sets on both vinyl and digital. If it were up to me, I would rather hear a great vinyl set, because the ratio of amazing to shit tunes found on vinyl is much higher than that same ratio for digital. Also, there is also just a higher likelyhood that you're going to hear a better set with vinyl, just because the effort of collecting records and buying turntables would result in a higher chance of beatmatching being good by the person since they have already put in so much effort to prepare for djing, as opposed to a digital set where getting tunes is laughably easy and buying equipment could cost as low as $100, so the lack of effort is probably mirrored in the quality of the set.VirtualMark wrote:I'd rather HEAR someone play an amazing set, i don't care what they play it on.JTMMusicuk wrote:would you rather see someone play an amazing set with vinyl or a shitty one on a laptop?mikeyp wrote:would you rather see someone play an awesome set on a laptop or a shitty one on vinyl?
also, where the fuck did this idea that all you need to do with a controller is hit sync and play?
myself and my buddy work our fucking asses off with a controller. obviously not everyone does, and there are probably more "djs" out there not doing shit with them but come on
Vinyl has a better bass response, I suppose bass is not really that good for your body but it's good for the soul. Personally I find it more rewarding and better sounding making sounds on my hardware than a DAW.VirtualMark wrote:So listening to vinyl is better for your health? And more rewarding? What about when you can't see inside the dj booth, are the health benefits still there if they're playing on vinyl?ninjadog wrote:Digital compared to analog is like comparing GMO to organic food. On one hand it takes a lot of hard work with plenty of variables to screw things up, but the end result is more rewarding and better for you. The other is quick, easy and cheap and most won't be able to tell any difference, especially when they are raised on it
Some of these claims are getting really outlandish.
Wrong.ninjadog wrote: Vinyl has a better bass response, I suppose bass is not really that good for your body but it's good for the soul. Personally I find it more rewarding and better sounding making sounds on my hardware than a DAW.
These claims are 100% true!
RIAA equalization is a form of pre-emphasis on recording and de-emphasis on playback. A recording is made with the low frequencies reduced and the high frequencies boosted, and on playback the opposite occurs. The net result is a flat frequency response, but with attenuation of high frequency noise such as hiss and clicks that arise from the recording medium. Reducing the low frequencies also limits the excursions the cutter needs to make when cutting a groove. Groove width is thus reduced, allowing more grooves to fit into a given surface area, permitting longer recording times. This also reduces physical stresses on the stylus which might otherwise cause distortion or groove damage during playback.
A potential drawback of the system is that rumble from the playback turntable's drive mechanism is amplified by the low frequency boost that occurs on playback. Players must therefore be designed to limit rumble, more so than if RIAA equalization did not occur.