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Lye Form wrote:

garethom wrote:Shit, I even have blond hair and blue eyes.

wana fuk?

You'll need to get past his chastity belt first

m8son wrote:

southstar wrote:they're mostly voted for by racist lites though who don't want to go the full bnp

Pedro Sánchez wrote:UKIP are the tories on the further right...voting for them is worse than voting for the tories.

Saying these kind of things is bullshit imo you can call them racists or right wing as much as you want but there is little proof of the group as a whole being racist, it would be much more intelligent and useful to pick holes in their policies, instead of just shouting racist at them. Also alot of the UKIP vote has come from old labour voters and a number of their policies are quite left wing.

Daily mail columnist or not Melanie phillips makes a good point in this video.



Alot of the crazies are being weened out now and its not like ukip's the only party with crazies i mean labour has a bnp defect as one of its councillors ffs.

Have you actually read UKIPs policies? They contradict themselves and pretty much just throw a bunch of things together to make people who vote for regular parties vote for them. I can guarantee that UKIP would deliver on certain things but they WOULD NOT be good for the average person, considering they're MPs are even more upper class on average than the bloody Tories and their incoherent policies. They're appealing to people in that they stand for something, but it's way too disorganised to actually do any of it - for example, what have their MEPs done, if anything, that they're party stands for? There's been numerous cases of discrimination against elected women and fraud in European assembly funds where they channel it in to the UK arm of the party. The people that would vote for them are mostly the ones that would vote for the Tories so it's not going to be any better because they're going to be loudest voices calling the shots...

Muncey wrote:True, it is unfair.. Alex Jones, despite being a barnpot, has probably done more meaningful things than Brand.

ridiculous statement.

Muncey wrote:I'm still baffled by the amount of people posting the video like its something meaningful, he stated we're being fucked over and the current system isn't working, gave no information on an alternative OR any details or names of people who are working on alternatives... just basically said 'fuck knows but lets revolt and hope for the best'.

he's not exactly some sort of revoltuionary political leader. hes a comedian. he even says in the video he's no political expert. why are you suggesting hes obliged to provide a solution?

what he is doing, is highlighting all the real shit that goes on behind the poopoo mirages in politics, things that people might not be aware of. even if he's just making some people go "hmm, interesting, i hadnt considered things from *that* angle before", its a step in the right direction.

thats the whole point, hes getting people to question things; social structure, naughty banks, policians allegiances, etc etc.. provoking people to actually think about shit for a second instead of being stupid wastemen and doing something like voting for the libdems because they "promised" to abolish university fees (ffs students)

Muncey wrote:He literally said nothing new and said what hundreds of thousands have been saying for years and years.

theres billions of people on the planet and millions of people in britian, so hundreds of thousands is a literally drop in the ocean. and what's the harm in more people talking about these ideas? the more the merrier.

ur just going off on one and posting some ill-considered poop because you think russell is a tnuc

test recordings wrote: Have you actually read UKIPs policies? They contradict themselves and pretty much just throw a bunch of things together to make people who vote for regular parties vote for them. I can guarantee that UKIP would deliver on certain things but they WOULD NOT be good for the average person, considering they're MPs are even more upper class on average than the bloody Tories and their incoherent policies. They're appealing to people in that they stand for something, but it's way too disorganised to actually do any of it - for example, what have their MEPs done, if anything, that they're party stands for? There's been numerous cases of discrimination against elected women and fraud in European assembly funds where they channel it in to the UK arm of the party. The people that would vote for them are mostly the ones that would vote for the Tories so it's not going to be any better because they're going to be loudest voices calling the shots...

Yeah man good points i agree with most of what you said, although I'm sure most of it could be said for any of the parties.

bennyfroobs wrote:ur just going off on one and posting some ill-considered poop because you think russell is a tnuc

The ridiculous statement is probably because you think Alex Jones is a tnuc? I'm sure hes done good stuff for like anti-GMOs and the like, I'm confident despite being a complete fruit cake he has actually done some good, more than Brand.

Its less to do with disliking Brand and the fact the people are following him and banging on about what hes saying like its something new/important. So if you think I was attacking just Brand I wasn't, it was more the goons that are blindly sharing the video and saying what a God he is and how well he done against the mighty Paxman.. which imo he didn't do well at all.

I don't care if you're a Comedian, if you're gunna go on and be interviewed by Paxman about your political views and tell people not to vote and that theres going to be a revolution I think you should have some responsibility of backing up your stuff with facts and alternatives. He was ill prepared and just went on a rant.

The fact theres a facebook group called 'Russell brands revolution party' pretty much proves how dumb all this is, its a fashion thing not a political movement. Like I said I don't vote either but I don't need a fucking comedian to tell me not to, its quite clear many people do need a comedian to tell them this and despite being completely ill informed on details many will blindly follow.

Again its more attacking the stupidity of the general public than Brand himself. If you think he doesn't need to give alternatives because hes 'just a comedian' then surely we shouldn't be taking him THAT seriously? Clearly not that case. Thats my issue.

muncey wrote:some stuff

no ridiculous statement was because how can u possibly judge that, do you know everything theyve both done in their entire lives? it entirely depends on what ur referring to when u say "some good". if ur talking about awareness stuff, then yeah, alex has done more. but that's literally his entire career and he's dedicated his life to it. personally i wouldnt exactly call him a reliable source of information, considering how anti transnational corporations he's supposed to be and he works for disney lol. hes a businessman. is it really good that he acts like a COMPLETE lunatic and makes everyone who questions the system look like some nut job? im sure some of what he says is accurate, but he spouts a load of absolute bollocks too, is misinforming people a good thing? he does get people to question things and look deeper tho, which is always a good thing

what russell's saying is something important. i dont see why you hate the fact that this interview has caused this sort of response, its good publicity for a good cause and clearly a cause you agree with, since u dont vote.

im sure that if he wanted to provide alternatives he could have made some suggestions, doesnt sound like hes given this situation zero consideration and just rambled slap dash on the spot. imo he clearly knows what hes talking about. he's not trying to be some sort of political messiah, its about guiding people in the right direction.

if you dont vote, why dont you vote? do you go round suggesting alternatives? do you make use of your time and raise awareness for how wack the government is? or do you just casually say to your mates "oh nah, dont vote, governments wack, all parties the same, etc" once in a blue moon, without actually DOING anything proactive? yeyeye ur not being interviewed by paxman but point still stands imo

that fb group has a stupid name and does sound like a fashion statement.

Disenfranchised with current politics? Why not start up your own political party and show how it ought to be done?

I'm building up my manifesto.

kay wrote:Disenfranchised with current politics? Why not start up your own political party and show how it ought to be done?

I'm building up my manifesto.

Nah, I'm just gonna take power by force. Fuck manifestos, just lining up folk against the wall.

loved this interview and how quick he said socialism haha. should probably just not use that term at all if he really wants to be taken seriously, way too big of a red flag.

that said this thread is waaaay over my head so don't try to pick apart what i said i will not beat you in an argument haha.

m8son wrote:

test recordings wrote: Have you actually read UKIPs policies? They contradict themselves and pretty much just throw a bunch of things together to make people who vote for regular parties vote for them. I can guarantee that UKIP would deliver on certain things but they WOULD NOT be good for the average person, considering they're MPs are even more upper class on average than the bloody Tories and their incoherent policies. They're appealing to people in that they stand for something, but it's way too disorganised to actually do any of it - for example, what have their MEPs done, if anything, that they're party stands for? There's been numerous cases of discrimination against elected women and fraud in European assembly funds where they channel it in to the UK arm of the party. The people that would vote for them are mostly the ones that would vote for the Tories so it's not going to be any better because they're going to be loudest voices calling the shots...

Yeah man good points i agree with most of what you said, although I'm sure most of it could be said for any of the parties.

I used to think they were good, but then the facts of what they say they stand for, write in manifestos and actually do are actually ridiculous. I'd never waste my vote on them! I just regularly contact my local MP, who happens to be Labour

Can't stand Russel Brand, heres a good article that sums up the problem with what he says: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... d-emotions

"I don't doubt that Russell Brand is as sincere as Miley Cyrus. I don't doubt either that to call his thought "adolescent" is to insult teenagers everywhere. He writes as if he is a precocious prepubescent rather than an adolescent: a child, born after the millennium, who can behave as if we never lived through the 20th century. He does not know what happened when men, burning with zealous outrage, created states with total control of "consciousness and the entire social, political and economic system" – and does not want to know either."

Here's a review of who said what at the recent political party conference. Big parties only, but it's good for comparing across common points.

http://opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/joh ... d-anything