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rayman612 wrote:Why cant you fear something thats inevitable

The only reason we die is because we accept it as an inevitability.

Laszlo wrote:Many do and they're not scared when they're doing it (at least, they look very calm when doing it)

And those that don't?

Annnd oh God. I just scrolled back up after like getting to the end of the post and no. I'm not telling you to kill yourself out of logical consistency.

Laszlo wrote:No.
Sorry, bro, i'll just have to cop out on this one. I'm not willing to get into it. My apologies.

Are you admitting defeat? Are you admitting that I'm better than you? Did I make you my bitch? Are you gonna take a picture of yourself with pigtails, in a dress, holding up a sign says 'I'm Gene's bitch and I've been a bad girl"? Hmm? Are? Will you be doing that, Laszlo?

Laszlo wrote:This is getting more metaphysical than i'm comfortable with. The bottom line is the op asked if I was scared of death and I voted 'no'. People can believe that or not.

I only dealt with the concept. I wasn't passing telling you how you think or what you feel.

Genevieve wrote:

Laszlo wrote:Many do and they're not scared when they're doing it (at least, they look very calm when doing it)

And those that don't?

Those that don't (some) believe that they can reduce the ego while living AND help others to do the same in the process.

Genevieve wrote:

Laszlo wrote:No.
Sorry, bro, i'll just have to cop out on this one. I'm not willing to get into it. My apologies.

Are you admitting defeat? Are you admitting that I'm better than you? Did I make you my bitch? Are you gonna take a picture of yourself with pigtails, in a dress, holding up a sign says 'I'm Gene's bitch and I've been a bad girl"? Hmm? Are? Will you be doing that, Laszlo?

No, I just can't be arsed completely derailing this thread with pages and pages of philosophy b2b my life story.
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Laszlo wrote:This is getting more metaphysical than i'm comfortable with. The bottom line is the op asked if I was scared of death and I voted 'no'. People can believe that or not.

Genevieve wrote:I only dealt with the concept. I wasn't passing telling you how you think or what you feel.

That last bit wasn't especially directed at you, it was just an 'in-general' to the nay sayers.

magma wrote:Why does how a value is determined come into this? An object can be ascribed value for a million reasons. Some people get sentimental over toe nail clippings.

Because emotional response helps determine value. If given the choice between 2 candybars for the same price, with otherwise identical properties, we are likely to pick the one that gives us the most positive emotional response in the long run.

And, if there is something we have a positive emotional response to and there was a possibility where we lose that thing, wouldn't we fear losing it? Out of fear of losing the positive emotion?

magma wrote:I only really fear losing things that will have a horrible effect on my life. For instance, I fear my girlfriend's death because it would make me lonely. I don't fear MY death, because it wouldn't make me anything but dead... I do fear the pain on my way to death. But death itself? No, that's not fear. If someone tried to take it from me, my fight would come from a sense of injustice and fear of pain being inflicted on me, but not fear of death.

Injustice seems like a pretty complicated concept to deal with in a life/death situation. I doubt we evolved from animals that defended themselves because of 'justice'.

Fear of pain seems reasonable. But I doubt that goes through your mind in, for example, a gun to your head situation.

Laszlo wrote:Those that don't (some) believe that they can reduce the ego while living AND help others to do the same in the process.

Just to spare you. My response to this would've been related to the response you didn't wanna deal with >.>

Or do you want a picture of myself in a dress where I'm saying that I'm your bitch now?

Laszlo wrote:No, I just can't be arsed completely derailing this thread with pages and pages of philosophy b2b my life story.

I know :p endless debate isn't for everyone. I was kidding with the whole thing.

Genevieve wrote:

magma wrote:Why does how a value is determined come into this? An object can be ascribed value for a million reasons. Some people get sentimental over toe nail clippings.

Because emotional response helps determine value. If given the choice between 2 candybars for the same price, with otherwise identical properties, we are likely to pick the one that gives us the most positive emotional response in the long run.

And, if there is something we have a positive emotional response to and there was a possibility where we lose that thing, wouldn't we fear losing it? Out of fear of losing the positive emotion?

No. Not necessarily. We might do, but we might just accept it as something that is transitory - for instance, I don't fear getting to the end of a bag of sweets, but I might be disappointed when I do.

Genevieve wrote:Injustice seems like a pretty complicated concept to deal with in a life/death situation. I doubt we evolved from animals that defended themselves because of 'justice'.

Fear of pain seems reasonable. But I doubt that goes through your mind in, for example, a gun to your head situation.

That''s an awful lot of assumption you're doing about other people's minds here... fear is definitely a possible reaction and I'm sure plenty of people fear death, I'm just saying it's not an inevitable one. Lots of people show anything BUT fear in the face of death...

I'm not convinced this conversation is going anywhere. Which is a surprise.

Genevieve wrote:do you want a picture of myself in a dress where I'm saying that I'm your bitch now?

I'd rather not if it's all the same. I'd quite like to be able to have a nightmare-free sleep tonight

magma wrote:That''s an awful lot of assumption you're doing about other people's minds here... fear is definitely a possible reaction and I'm sure plenty of people fear death, I'm just saying it's not an inevitable one. Lots of people show anything BUT fear in the face of death...

This is what i'm driving at in the space of two lines... I should'a stayed in school

There's no afterlife. Just lights out, like being ko'd or falling asleep.

ultimately fear is a reaction which heightens awareness of a threat to ones' existence
i.e. belongs in circumstances of potential death
so fearing dying is natural, even desirable
but there's no organic vessel for fear when you're dead
and nothing left to protect, so fear of death itself is useless
because there will be nothing to fear.

unless you believe in some spirit world
where enmities can have deleterious effects
where daemons chuck your astral body into a fiery pit
where there's only Etheric Cola to drink
and I'm assigned to chase Benny Hill's ghost for the rest of time...

That's why I choose not to believe in a populated death.

wub wrote:

rayman612 wrote:Why cant you fear something thats inevitable

The only reason we die is because we accept it as an inevitability.

What so you're saying if we had the choice we'd be cryrogenically frozen for another 1000 years ergo we all live forever?

[Quote=magma]I fear my girlfriend's death because it would make me lonely.[/quote]

So you do fear death. Just not your own.

Nevalo wrote:

Reverb wrote:yes absolutely scared of dying. i think you guys are kidding yourselves if you say otherwise.

Nah, not scared at all. death means moving on from a world full of pain and suffering.

in my 26 years ive been through and seen a lot, and at least i know, that when i die i will be free from that.

imo the good parts of living outweigh the bad
i dont want to lose all that stuff

and what about your friends and family members? arent you scared of not seein em again?

jaydot wrote:

wub wrote:

rayman612 wrote:Why cant you fear something thats inevitable

The only reason we die is because we accept it as an inevitability.

What so you're saying if we had the choice we'd be cryrogenically frozen for another 1000 years ergo we all live forever?

Not sure how you've managed to read that into what I've said.