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Now that I think about it living in a tribe sounds interesting.

OGLemon wrote:Now that I think about it living in a tribe sounds interesting.

Can you hunt?
Can you outrun a jaguar?
Do you know what will kill you if you try and eat it?
Can you deal with a life threatening infection that came from a simple bug bite?
You have a few days to gain all them skills

Did I say gays yet?

Go live in Russia, you homophobic twat.

Laszlo wrote:It was directed at mason.

But anyway - what's their life expectancy like? Or infant mortality rate? Or ability to fight of disease?

Laszlo wrote:Believing that which is transient to be permanent.

Because all suffering arises from that.

^
Life is transient, so is art, so are institutions...

I'm not getting your point..

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

OGLemon wrote:Now that I think about it living in a tribe sounds interesting.

Can you hunt?
Can you outrun a jaguar?
Do you know what will kill you if you try and eat it?
Can you deal with a life threatening infection that came from a simple bug bite?
You have a few days to gain all them skills

the concrete jungle has taught me a thing or two

Laszlo wrote:Why?

I suppose it depends on what you class as an advancement. Imo the ability to perceive the passing of time and live in the knowledge that eventually we will die is a disadvantage to us. Maybe not in proceeding as a species (proceeding towards what?) but in terms of our happiness. A cow, for example, lives completely in the present it doesn't look back at it's past and it doesn't look forward, it can't regret and it can't be disappointed. It doesn't know that it will one day die.

I'm too drunk to properly explain myself, i might try again tomorrow.

m8son wrote:

Laszlo wrote:Why?

I suppose it depends on what you class as an advancement. Imo the ability to perceive the passing of time and live in the knowledge that eventually we will die is a disadvantage to us. Maybe not in proceeding as a species (proceeding towards what?) but in terms of our happiness. A cow, for example, lives completely in the present it doesn't look back at it's past and it doesn't look forward, it can't regret and it can't be disappointed. It doesn't know that it will one day die.

I'm too drunk to properly explain myself, i might try again tomorrow.

No that's all fair enough.

So it is happiness that you prize above all else? If so then is it fair to assume that whatever impedes happiness is the number one problem?

Laszlo wrote:I'm not getting your point..

F.e a whole tribe dies from a dissease, there is nothing bad innit, change is the law of life, is transient as you say. Now...the fail is trying to fight your whole life to make your tribe/race/family, the political order (institutions) and art (aesthetic dogmas, religion) permanent

DiegoSapiens wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:Optimism is hard wired, it's why we take risks, it has been one of the driving forces of our evolution.

And has the evolution been positive for us? We should still live in tribes...

We do live in tribes. The similarities between tribes living in jungles and tribes living in cities are perhaps masked or not always obvious, but they are there.

m8son wrote:

Laszlo wrote:Why?

A cow, for example, lives completely in the present it doesn't look back at it's past and it doesn't look forward, it can't regret and it can't be disappointed. It doesn't know that it will one day die.

When that cow see's that fresh patch of grass, she's thinking 'that will taste nice, based on my past experience with fresh grass not like that brown grass, that was fucking horrid that was and that beefy bull over there that stuck his giant meat peice in my pisshole yesterday, I liked that! This time I'm not gonna struggle like last time because I know what to expect'
We still operate on the same principle of trial and error, we're just able to record, store, evaluate and share more of them.

Laszlo wrote: So it is happiness that you prize above all else? If so then is it fair to assume that whatever impedes happiness is the number one problem?

I guess so, i'm not so sure.

DiegoSapiens wrote:

Laszlo wrote:I'm not getting your point..

F.e a whole tribe dies from a dissease, there is nothing bad innit

Are you saying there is no suffering or that 'good' and 'bad' don't exist?

Pedro Sánchez wrote: When that cow see's that fresh patch of grass, she's thinking 'that will taste nice, based on my past experience with fresh grass not like that brown grass, that was fucking horrid that was and that beefy bull over there that stuck his giant meat peice in my pisshole yesterday, I liked that! This time I'm not gonna struggle like last time because I know what to expect'
We still operate on the same principle of trial and error, we're just able to record, store, evaluate and share more of them.

The cow was a random example, a bad one perhaps. Of course there wasn't some specific turning point where we (animals) became aware of the past and future it was a gradual, imo negative, process. I suppose it depends on what you value, be it happiness, the technological advancement of the species, the intellectual advancement of the species etc etc... imo what is the point of living longer or having a more advanced species if we don't enjoy it?

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

m8son wrote:

Laszlo wrote:Why?

A cow, for example, lives completely in the present it doesn't look back at it's past and it doesn't look forward, it can't regret and it can't be disappointed. It doesn't know that it will one day die.

When that cow see's that fresh patch of grass, she's thinking 'that will taste nice, based on my past experience with fresh grass not like that brown grass, that was fucking horrid that was and that beefy bull over there that stuck his giant meat peice in my pisshole yesterday, I liked that! This time I'm not gonna struggle like last time because I know what to expect'
We still operate on the same principle of trial and error, we're just able to record, store, evaluate and share more of them.

Pretty much this.

If you want to go live in the present, all I will say is: have fun fucking your cousins. Pussy is pussy right? #420YOLO

imo what is the point of living longer or having a more advanced species if we don't enjoy it?

Well that's a philosophical question that I certainly don't have the answer to, fuck m8son, you have put me on a downer.

kay wrote:

DiegoSapiens wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:Optimism is hard wired, it's why we take risks, it has been one of the driving forces of our evolution.

And has the evolution been positive for us? We should still live in tribes...

We do live in tribes. The similarities between tribes living in jungles and tribes living in cities are perhaps masked or not always obvious, but they are there.

nah don´t get confused with that urban tribe term, i agree that we still have some legacy of our instincts and is fun to find paralelism in some actitudes that haven´t changed , but our lifestyle is completly mutated from the tribesman life.

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

imo what is the point of living longer or having a more advanced species if we don't enjoy it?

Well that's a philosophical question that I certainly don't have the answer to, fuck m8son, you have put me on a downer.

Ha i have been on a downer for the last 6 months thinking about this shit.