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that George Osborne has any idea about what he is doing whatsoever

magma wrote:

Perfecture wrote:

PinUp wrote:

Perfecture wrote:Religion - it's had its time and caused far to much crap, now it needs to jog on.

Religion is very important for a lot of people in the developing world, without it many people would have nothing left to live for. I agree that it it shouldn't be forming the back bone for politics though.

Fair, but religion has done more bad than it has good imo.
Yeah believing something to keep you positive about life is good and all but it's just not cool when people are using a 'made up story' to brainwash generation after generation.

What about when they do it with Communism (Soviet states banned religion in favour of political indoctrination)? Or "Anti-Terrorism" or "Spreading Freedom"? What about justifying a Holocaust based on corrupted Darwinism? What about.... etc.

People can and will justify war and subjugation with whatever's available. Religion's a red herring.

Can be just as bad and both I see as symptoms of totalitarian propositions. The parallels I see between the current state of North Korea and the monotheistic idea of 'paradise' still amaze me for example. Hitler repeatedly referred to himself as doing 'god's work' and continued to believe he was singled out and assisted by divine intervention (providence) even after his disillusionment with Christianity. As Thomas Paine pointed out though, religion is what seeks to pursue you beyond the grave with ideas of eternal torture or servitude. He, as a deist (belief in one god who created the universe and doesn't intervene in human affairs), was rightfully disgusted by the presentation in man-made books (written long after the supposed events) of the creator of the universe as a vindictive and cruel being who sets up one nation with special preference and orders them to march through neighboring lands slaughtering others. The contents of monotheistic scripture have resulted in the self-righteous justification of so much cruelty and suffering throughout the ages. And, while there are many who have performed extraordinary acts of charity in the name of their faith, religious belief isn't a prerequisite for charitable and altruistic acts and many secular organisations do just as much if not more in terms of helping the less fortunate. And they don't expect converts in return. Charitable acts would be abundant with or without religion as it stems from empathy which precedes religion despite it appearing that religious institutions have done much to hijack terms like 'empathy' and 'morality'. Besides, I've seen examples of terrorist and racist organisations performing charitable acts such as providing financial aid to the less fortunate and helping those with substance abuse problems or in prison. This wouldn't lead me to believe these organisations are offering an overall benefit to the human condition. When he have had apparent religious advances in morality, it has come from the outside by progress in secular ethics etc. When this happens, much of the violent and barbaric contents have their meanings and interpretations changed in to deep metaphor and the like in order to adapt with the times. There is still the issue of having a ridiculous amount of instruction to ensure that worship is directed in the right direction while any mentions of some of the easiest moral questions known today either condone the immoral or there is to be found lengthly instruction on how to go about, for example, owning and trading slaves. Even in the NT, slaves are instructed to obey their christian masters in order to share in their rewards in the afterlife. While it takes effort for decent and well-intentioned people of faith to overlook the unpleasant contents and focus on that which seems to promote charity and altruism, there will always be an abundant source of justifications for unspeakable acts of cruelty to be found in these books.

I don't think I would necessarily do away with belief in god(s) as I take no issue with deists who admit a position of faith on the issue and don't seek to impose it others. I don't see these people coming together and putting a silly amount of resources towards the censorship of scientific and other contrary sources of information, ensuring the indoctrination of impressionable children who have not yet developed the capacity for critical thought, influencing political decisions that affect whole populations or erecting obstacles to advances in medicne and other areas of research. That being said, I would still go above and beyond religion and do away with totalitarianism as just doing away with religion would still leave us with other consequences of the totalitarian mind-set which, as magma says, will be whats used to justify things like subjugation and war. I just see religion as one of the oldest consequences of this mind-set that still permeates people's lives across the world.

Religion is fine. Organised religion is maybe on iffier ground.

Zealotry of any kind, we'd be better off without.

Releasing music.

explain dat meight

Just tired of this like build up and surprise of releases, and all this music all at once. Just make songs and let them enter the stream of thought/material. I definitely don't want an album, and 90% don't want an ep. Just let the songs go as you make them. This is obviously informed by digital music. If there is to be analog release, okay collect the songs and release when aggregated, but let the songs enter the stream before. This is happening, of course.

It seems like most of you guys hate religious extremism not religion itself.

nowaysj wrote:Just tired of this like build up and surprise of releases, and all this music all at once. Just make songs and let them enter the stream of thought/material. I definitely don't want an album, and 90% don't want an ep. Just let the songs go as you make them. This is obviously informed by digital music. If there is to be analog release, okay collect the songs and release when aggregated, but let the songs enter the stream before. This is happening, of course.

DMZ can release music how they choose, it's their label, when you start a label you do it your way... <- That was once a response on this forum to a comment like that.

Everybody is free, though, true. I'm just tired of that model. It is hard to imagine something that counts for less than my feelings.

I agree with you to an extent but I like it when an artist and label puts a lot of effort into a nice physical end product, artwork and all that carries some sort of narrative, that's why I always looked forward to Hyperdub records, Tempa, Planet Mu etc. labels like that.

Riddles wrote: How many charities are religion based? How many churches, mosques etc provide food and clothes and other services to homeless and poor people?

and how many of them horde unfathomable amounts of wealth that they'd rather not part with in favour of rinsing the public. (obv organised religions arent the only naughty wealth horders, but theyre one of the ones who have big gold candlesticks n diamonds n shit. like the queen giving a speech about austerity while covered head to toe in gold and diamonds. fucking old bitch face)

which reminds me

the monarchy in the uk should bugger off rly, or start using the hordes of wealth for better things than buying tanks n shit

nowaysj wrote:Just tired of this like build up and surprise of releases, and all this music all at once. Just make songs and let them enter the stream of thought/material. I definitely don't want an album, and 90% don't want an ep. Just let the songs go as you make them. This is obviously informed by digital music. If there is to be analog release, okay collect the songs and release when aggregated, but let the songs enter the stream before. This is happening, of course.

it's never gonna stop though, as long as theres still business potential for it. which there always will be

bennyfroobs wrote:which reminds me

the monarchy in the uk should bugger off rly, or start using the hordes of wealth for better things than buying tanks n shit

you know the monarchy arent even that rich, like they're worth fucking millions in assets but the money they make is pretty much just to keep them in their big fuckoff houses

Perfecture wrote:Religion - it's had its time and caused far to much crap, now it needs to jog on.

*YAWN*

that's really what you pick? yeah, religion is fucked up. we know. it's tired and played out conversation.

I've been interested in the GMO thing...
mostly because I haven't really been able to peg down an opinion...

But I'll explain what I have deducted the issue to be...

When they genetically modify a plant...
They don't go in with mini-needles and splice or mechanically alter cells...

What they do, is they take a virus - and attach genetic material to it...
Then they "infect" the plants with the virus and "hope"-
that the modification they were after takes place...but

It's not precise...It's like putting material together in a cocktail shaker...
and they know what they want to happen, but have no idea what could happen.
It's a semi blind experiment...

- they have found that many disaterous mutations
-don't even present until the 3rd generation...

They are talking about things like
- mutant protien production that causes fatal allergic reactions...
-this has already happened by the way...and strains have been destroyed.

and it's one of the reasons people want gmo material labelled and tracked...
exp if a bunch of people start having reactions to a specific food product etc...
the particular brand/gmo material can be reported to the medical community
and they can start a data matrix to identify issues...

and the industry is fighting it - because the same data matrix
could also lead to accoutability.


I'm convinced that the huge seed arc being built in where?Norway? is in response to this...
The europeans are smart and are going to protect the "bloodlines" from this.

Mexico has a special area way up in the mountains...
where they have a living archive of every strain of corn...
It has already been breeched with monsanto genetic material
- and they are soooo pissed...

They say it compromises the safety of their corn lineages.

Many of the detractors say that the methods used to create GMO food...
are more in line with medical experiments...
but with none of the safety regulation that we require for new drugs.


I hope this post helps some.

DIE HIPPIE!

....or they could be hoarding all the seed

so that when they wipe everything dead...with unreproductive seed


They have control of all the viable seed...


-but that sounds like a really frightening conspiracy theory.

that was incredibly interesting but can u at least attempt to use proper sentences