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jaydot wrote:

We currently give around 0.7% of GNP as foreign aid, which is around and about exactly the UN minimum. If you think 0.7% is too much to give to our fellow humans then I'm not convinced you deserve membership of a species, let alone the United Nations.

Can I have a figure in pounds please?

From an earlier post;

wub wrote:Total global foreign aid (that's all countries, not just us) is now $134.8bn. UK total spend on foreign aid as of 2013 budget was 0.7% of gross national income. So that's a person on an income of £25,000 paying £5,465 in tax, of which £52 would go to the overseas aid budget a year. The UK is not cutting it's own throat so that people in other countries can be given bags of rice.

Foreign aid is bullshit, the absolute minimum so that people can feel that they're actually doing something

Phigure wrote: must be a shit way to go through life if youre just viewing everyone else as your "opponents", especially if its just on the basis of them being from a different country than you.

I don't mean constantly view everyone as opponents and they must be beaten

I mean it loosely, like as in whenever you apply for a job the other applicants are technically opponents, when you apply for social housing, when you apply for a school etc...

wanting to limit your 'opponents', or other applicants, is surely common sense and human nature

Phigure wrote:

m8son wrote:

jesslem wrote:

jaydot wrote:I'm not racist I have my best interests in mind, one day I might need social housing, one day I might need a blue-collar job, one day I might need to send my kids to school and I can't because immigrants have take their place.

Dunno man, that's pretty racist if you read it slowly.

I don't really see how that's racist? Surely trying to limit possible 'opponents' in life is common sense, and seeing as you can't make people leave the country is wanting to stop more people coming in really that bad?

must be a shit way to go through life if youre just viewing everyone else as your "opponents", especially if its just on the basis of them being from a different country than you.

It's a sign of the times and the sad state of society, to put it bluntly.

^ not really it's been like that since the start of our species

jaydot wrote:

We currently give around 0.7% of GNP as foreign aid, which is around and about exactly the UN minimum. If you think 0.7% is too much to give to our fellow humans then I'm not convinced you deserve membership of a species, let alone the United Nations.

Can I have a figure in pounds please?

yes, please, can we have a figure in pounds, so we can compare it to how much the afghani/iraqi excursions cost to the UK taxpayers, maybe also how much the royal family gets from UK taxpayers or how much was given to banks for bailouts, lets see where that taxpayers cash is really going

wub wrote:

jaydot wrote:

We currently give around 0.7% of GNP as foreign aid, which is around and about exactly the UN minimum. If you think 0.7% is too much to give to our fellow humans then I'm not convinced you deserve membership of a species, let alone the United Nations.

Can I have a figure in pounds please?

From an earlier post;

wub wrote:Total global foreign aid (that's all countries, not just us) is now $134.8bn. UK total spend on foreign aid as of 2013 budget was 0.7% of gross national income. So that's a person on an income of £25,000 paying £5,465 in tax, of which £52 would go to the overseas aid budget a year. The UK is not cutting it's own throat so that people in other countries can be given bags of rice.

That's taxayer's contribution right? So how much does the government donate from other sources?

jaydot wrote:

Pathetic. Might as well hold back benefits for 18-23 year olds... very few people with the energy to move their entire existence to a new country in order to make a living plan to live on benefits. It's a safety net, not the bouncy castle people would have you believe.

Should we be obligated to waste taxpayers money on extra people? Really? If we left the EU then we wouldn't have to spend money on these people. They're a drain on public services, they're a drain on taxpayers money, they commit crimes (ranging from petty to serious, petty obviously not being widely reported but watch Crimewatch or read a red too (in before you say sensationalist propaganda) and you'll see foreigners commiting serious fraud, rape, murder etc. and they're extra mouths to feed and extra people to house. Plus the fact that more foreigners coming into the country is devaluing our society.

the Guardian gives a figure from the NHS saying that in 2012, the NHS spent 33 million on offering care to foreign nationals. that's negligible tbh. its amazing how theyve convinced you that theyre "a drain on public services", etc.

your dear own UKIP wants to raise the defense budget by 30 BILLION, that's nearly 1000 times as much as the NHS spent on treating those immigrants. it's a drop in the fucking bucket (not to mention the fact that immigrants contribute to the economy whether you think theyre competent or not)

m8son wrote:

jesslem wrote:

jaydot wrote:I'm not racist I have my best interests in mind, one day I might need social housing, one day I might need a blue-collar job, one day I might need to send my kids to school and I can't because immigrants have take their place.

Dunno man, that's pretty racist if you read it slowly.

I don't really see how that's racist? Surely trying to limit possible 'opponents' in life is common sense, and seeing as you can't make people leave the country is wanting to stop more people coming in really that bad?

Ethnically speaking, Romanians and Bulgarians simply aren't the same as Brits. Racially speaking, they're more like people from Turkey and the nearer middle-east.
It is based on these differences that Jaydot is making the distinction.

∴ Close your boat.

jaydot wrote:That's taxayer's contribution right? So how much does the government donate from other sources?

Not sure I understand your question. 0.7% of gross national income is what we give, which comes from taxes. Hence the 'national income' part.

British jobs for British people is a classic. Wtf is a 'British job'? Most jobs require equipment or labour from abroad, go be a farmer if you really want a British job, be self sustainable.

Bit late to be resisting globalisation tbh and you can't expect to have everything fully globalised apart from labour. Foreign investment, capital, imports are all pretty much free to move but you want to completely restrict labour? Clearly have zero understanding of the world.

If a Romanian comes over and can't speak English but is more qualified than you at your job, you fully deserve to fail. Have a bit of self pride, a bit of ambition, you should be utterly embarrassed that you're so expendable.

National pride usually exists in people who have no self pride. I've achieved fuck all in my life so I'll bang on about us winning 2 world wars, that sorta thing.

TBH Jay, of all the points that have been made against UKIP, the figures provided, the reports showing where they're taking liberties with their numbers to make things look worse than they are, the well made arguments against them, you haven't provided any decent responses and have just come back with more nationalist rhetoric about the problems caused by "them".

Which is precisely what Farage and UKIP do anyway.

is this thread just jaydot on his rock singing

nah he would never, tupac is brown

wub wrote:

jaydot wrote:That's taxayer's contribution right? So how much does the government donate from other sources?

Not sure I understand your question. 0.7% of gross national income is what we give, which comes from taxes. Hence the 'national income' part.

nvm

@jesslem: Haha you're truly blinkered if you think that's racist. Obviously as a British citizen I expect to have a local school place for my prospective child; to want and need for basic stuff like that isn't racist it's natural. I obviously don't expect all social housing to be British as existing immigrants need a place to live but as particle jim pointed out homeless people get first priority, and what are the hostels all full of? Refugees. I know because my sister who lived in them told me they have their fair share of foreigners. Do you realise how long it takes to get social housing in Manchester for instance, and then the places that you actually get offered? Places like Salford and Wythenshawe (admittedly not the most desirable of places) used to be mainly white now there seems to be lots of foreign families moving in from my own observations.What if you're a family with kids and can't afford to rent? What if you're single parent? What if you're an ex-con out of jail? What if you're ex-forces? And you can't get a house or a flat because they seem to be going to foreigners?

As for the school place I'm against private schools because I want my child to have a mixed integration, so why not send them to a school with a foreign majority? Well what if they can't get in?

And yeah I can't control the fact that I'm British but I am and I don't want to live in a society where I have to live like a second class citizen just because the government couldn't control immigration. UKIP plan to use work visas and a points based system for their manifesto, no benefits for people that have lived here for under five years, British people or British heritage get first refusal on social housing (which is about time cos some of these immigrant ghettos have become no-go areas for British people).

They're the best alternative to New Labour who had their time and wasted it. Yes all governments are corrupt to some degree but idk UKIPs policies are resonating with me as a "working class" UK citizen.

Muncey wrote: If a Romanian comes over and can't speak English but is more qualified than you at your job, you fully deserve to fail.

Again, I don't agree with this. This presumes that companies will only look at the best person for the job, and not look at getting slightly less qualified or simply more people for a lot less money as part of cost cutting exercises.

If my company cut me, and got in a guy from India (a lot of the dudes at my company are on 2 year placements from India anyway), who was less qualified than I am, but would do the job for half the salary I do and do it to an acceptable standard, I'd be pretty fucking offended if somebody told me I deserved to "fail" for expecting a fair market wage.

What children in the UK don't have access to education because they're british?
Where are british people actually treated as second class citizens.
Should you earn entitlements when you work and pay national insurance? Why should the entitlements of foreign nationals be different?
Should foreign nationals be exempt from national insurance contributions for the first 5 years given they wont be able to claim the entitlements these insurance payments earn?

What about the positive economic impact of immigration, what about the economic activity it generates. Also in your OP you think there would be no trade repercussions for leaving the EU when that's entirely incorrect.

Their policies resonate with you because you're a dickhead,

jaydot wrote:And yeah I can't control the fact that I'm British but I am and I don't want to live in a society where I have to live like a second class citizen just because the government couldn't control immigration.

You mean you'd be a first class citizen but all those brain surgeon Romanians have come over and taken all the top jobs pushing you into a second class job?

Unfortunately you're subject to a great country with a great education system which you've clearly not taken advantage of and you're being replaced by people who, more times that not, have fuck all.

Are you actively complaining about formerly white neighbourhoods seeing an influx of colour in the same paragraph you started by denouncing me for calling you racist?
You want mixed integration but no foreigners to take jobs from you.


Do you believe in Free will Jaydot? Because if you do, it doesn't make a large amount of sense to claim that it's the government's immigration policy that's forcing you to live as a second class citizen, as opposed to your life choices.