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People who think lil B has any talent should be sent to the Gulag

You wouldn't judge porn on the same merrit as a general movie.
It's the same with Lil B in the rap game/music.

just saying but (almost) nobody watches porn for an hour

mIrReN wrote:just saying but (almost) nobody watches porn for an hour

hence the almost
+ but still an hour straight...

i think he makes up for everyone elses lost time.

im also sure he LOVES the plots

ehbrums1 wrote:People who think lil B has any talent should be sent to the Gulag

im withyou on that boatshoes

just add that wck white guy to the list too, whats his name? a fuckit who cares, hes a nobody.

Incidentally, saw a bunch of fucking boat shoe douches today. I'mma start count, when it gets to a hundred, that hundredth dude is going to get a surprise.

nowaysj wrote:Incidentally, saw a bunch of fucking boat shoe douches today. I'mma start count, when it gets to a hundred, that hundredth dude is going to get a surprise.

Some fresh boat shoes?

No, I'm going to buy him a boat and force him to sail me around.

nowaysj wrote:Incidentally, saw a bunch of fucking boat shoe douches today. I'mma start count, when it gets to a hundred, that hundredth dude is going to get a surprise.

come to my uni's campus and you'll hit that number pretty quickly

That's because Kansas has those high seas.

i feel like about 99% of bedroom-soundcloud producers are very mediocre.

Hypefiend wrote:i feel like about 99% of bedroom-soundcloud producers are very mediocre.

That's a conservative estimate too.

It's not that they're mediocre, just uninspired. Or worse, copycats. Very few truly inspiring/groundbreaking/inventive stuff comes out from the unsigned crew these days, at least compared to the torrent of identikit bro/house/techno/whatever is popular sounds.

Annoyingly, it shouldn't even be like that. If you took 10 tunes that you liked at the time and took the drums from one, the bassline from the other, the weird reggae bit for this one etc etc, then threw those individual sounds together and tried to emulate what each track was doing that you liked, then you should end up with something that still retains a unique element, however raw it may be.

But this doesn't seem to be the case. The copying is so rigid and close to the source material that it is a pale imitation at best and musical inbreeding to say the least. I used to use the example of KM fans who only listened to KM style tunes and wanted to make music like KM and ended up with something so piss poor that it's not worth more than 4bars worth of listening time, but with KM stepping away from Dubstep will have to find a new example to hold up as shit for the mass produced masses.

Some of them just need a good clip round the listening facet, a variation in their source material. Take some of them away, lock them in a room with only some bluegrass albums and Wikipedia for reference, see what comes out of that.

"You with the cracked copy of Ableton, please put your hands where we can see them and step away from Beatport..."

The Internet doesn't help things. Nights don't have any reference points, any culture meeting points, any fucking nights at all in some cases. Dubstep came about as it had FWD and you had producers coming down each week with new ideas they'd had and new exciting tunes that they could play to each other on a decent rig and listen and be influenced and discuss and take suggestions and then go away and work on new tunes then come back and do the same thing. Same with Sketchbook allowing for the gestation of ideas that would eventually lead to the birth of Low End Theory. The nights were the focal points for like minded producers to work as melting pots for these ideas to develop and evolve organically.

The newer 'genres' (and I use the word genre very fucking loosely here) don't have that. Brostep at least has the larger EDM raves, but is there a dark room somewhere in Bumsville, Idaho where 30 producers the caps and backpacks are standing around just playing their tunes to one another? No, of course not. Nowadays, if you want some feedback on your MoombahcoreWitchHouseStepWise you go to Soundcloud, YouTube, Facebook where faux plaudits can be yours at the click of a button. Wow, this Dubcore track I made got over 200 listens in 30mins...I must be onto something here!

WRONG. DEAD WRONG.

To listen or like or retweet or follow or Favourite takes no investment. You're burning a tune or cutting a dubplate and then taking yourself off out into the cold dark Earth to a cramped room with VOLUME somewhere to have your track played to real people, who might raise an eyebrow or tell you that what you've produced maybe isn't as perfect as you thought. No, no, no...that would be the truth and some real world feedback and that is scary because you don't want to know that what you're doing isn't 100% amazing and The Saviour Of Dance Music™.

Best to click upload then wait for the smiley faces to come rolling in. Cool beats man. Sick drop. OMG that intro!!11!!11. This means nothing. This is not feedback, it's the equivalent of two people holding up mirrors for the other one to masturbate into. It creates false idols, and false feelings of greatness when really a decent rig, some real world feedback and some stylistic influences that take place somewhere other than a YouTube playlist would do wonders for the scene.

I've maintained for some time now that as Dubstep came from the ashes of the polished glitz of UK Garage (amongst other places, obviously) so to when the EDM bubble bursts the vacuum created (assuming bubbles create vacuums, seems like they should) will mean a level of inventiveness suddenly sweeping through and some genuinely interesting stuff coming out of it. But whether this interesting stuff has a physical gestation tank to allow it the growth that it so desperately needs remains to be seen.

Wha?
Fk mun
lik rayn on a windo
dribblin shit
he he he

musically mediocre material* but I don't expect much from some producer with a miniscule amount of experience with an instrument or with theory. i'll read the rest of what you said, i just cherry picked the first-two paragraphs.

jesus wub thats a terroble repst and coagulation of about 14 mensonions from the last few years
i think u shoudl get a week long ban for such drivel, even if it is true.

variation in source material is a great idea, the rehashed statement 'round here about that can go a long a ways.
i'm taking this out of context because i thought it was funny "but is there a dark room somewhere in Bumsville, Idaho where 30 producers the caps and backpacks are standing around just playing their tunes to one another?" there are small house gatherings where friends (of mine) have keyboards, turntable s (but they're not really turntables), drums, etc. setup and just sort of showcase/share ideas, sketches, etc to each other, which is very fun and can be very inspiring.

i agree with the false feelings of a significant achievement the "faux plaudits" can generate online. i know people who'd argue that leaving some emoticon'd comment on soundcloud or whatever medium has real meaning and takes effort.
you should take up poetry, or like, get a blog like everyone else.

Hypefiend wrote:i'm taking this out of context because i thought it was funny "but is there a dark room somewhere in Bumsville, Idaho where 30 producers the caps and backpacks are standing around just playing their tunes to one another?" there are small house gatherings where friends (of mine) have keyboards, turntable s (but they're not really turntables), drums, etc. setup and just sort of showcase/share ideas, sketches, etc to each other, which is very fun and can be very inspiring.

'The scene' needs more things like this, TBH, and I'm not sure that the multitude of blog genres that spring up as people combine works from existing 'genres' in a desperate attempt to make their sound seem relevant/fresh/appealing to promoters really have that. I used brostep as an example...whilst I'm not 100% sure, I still doubt very much your friends are smashing out Brutal Electro tunes when they get together?

Hypefiend wrote:i agree with the false feelings of a significant achievement the "faux plaudits" can generate online. i know people who'd argue that leaving some emoticon'd comment on soundcloud or whatever medium has real meaning and takes effort.
you should take up poetry, or like, get a blog like everyone else.

Sick tunez mate, blogged here ---> SELFPROMOTION.GEOCITIES.FKURSELF etc

Some of the very best current music is basicly only available on soundcloud.
I don't see the argument relating to the quality of made music today but only to the concept of what a few important but small scenes where back when there wasn't as much 'internetting' going on. It's a bit like a longhaired, sleaveless t-shirty fellow being afraid of a sequencer in my book.

na, more like neo soul nu jazz etc type stuff but a lot of them think of music in the sense of a hobby so not much end results (if any) get posted online, but just shared amongst friends via cd's (low budget,)