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I agree with this statement for the majority of cars but Veyrons I'd say 90% of the cost is down to quality and good engineering (and also safety). Theres a reason the tyres are $10,000 each.hubb wrote:They are more just expensive for the sake of projecting that image if we take it a face value. .
Do you think people who own Ming vases or original Picassos need taking down a notch too?rickyarbino wrote:Also, I don't think that it should take them down a notch, but I think the fact that it does justifies it.rickyarbino wrote:Man, I'm 19.
Nah, couldn't bring myself to do that. It'd feel hollow to me somehow. I haven't owned a car since moving to London... I survive on a ZipCar membership now for if I ever need wheels, which usually results in a Golf. I learnt to like Golfs a lot though.ezza wrote:do u ever rent cars magma? like just for the weekend?
This I absolutely agree with and if this was a discussion about Golf owners hating on Polo owners or 3 Series vs 5 Series I'd absolutely agree (and that sort of false separation is the root of everything that's wrong with the car industry), but that Bugatti is a bit different. It's a true Supercar in a way that only comes along once every decade or so... Bugatti don't even make a profit from it (I saw a report at some point saying they might lose up to $6m per vehicle!)... there's not really even a Ferrari to compete with it, no Lamborghini, no Mercedes... I'd probably have had less of a problem with this if it'd been a cock drawn on a Range Rover Sport, but still...hubb wrote:Exactly what I said innit -- sort of a private american dream there and it's cool to actually like stuff - but you understand the build and the quality and stuff like that I bet, and that is not what highpriced cars are aimed at exclusively anymore unfortunately. They are more just expensive for the sake of projecting that image if we take it a face value. . obviously quality is costy..
It can be, but that can also be inferred when it's not been intentionally implied. When I was 18 I spent the money I probably should've spent on moving out on buying myself a sporty set of wheels... I've never owned anything I've loved as much; I used to take it to tracks, my best mate and I spent every spare hour working on our cars... was kind of heartbreaking when it finally got sold. But despite my "genuine" love for it, if I pulled up at a traffic light next to an Fiesta or Saxo full of boy racers, they would, without fail, shout and swear at me and maybe even throw things or ask me when I had to take it back to my Dad etc - it got keyed pretty savagely when I parked it round the back of the local cinema... I assumed by the group of teenagers that tried to throw stuff at my girlfriend when we pulled up... I had things thrown at it, I had tyres let down.... and all that was just for a car that cost £13k.... hardly out of reach of anyone with a shred of ambition and a passion for cars.I'd argue that owning an ultra super car though, is sort of a provocative spectacle to anyone with the level of empathy that I'd want from people. And i don't think it is 'clear' tbh.
magma wrote:Unfortunately, the sad fact seems to be that some people literally cannot STAND to see others having a good time and THEY are the cocks.
1) Again, it shouldn't actually take them down a notch, the fact that the car exists is just as significant as the fact that a dick has been drawn on it, to reference point three, it's also a part of human history. The fact that these people care so much more for some expensive metal and shit than they do for the rest of humanity and take anger from other members' interactions with their expensive metal is what makes it a laughable situation. Those people really need to look at themselves and their priorities if the car that cost upward of $20,000 is so massively degraded by someone else's presence on it.magma wrote: 1) Do you think people who own Ming vases or original Picassos need taking down a notch too?
2) That Bugatti is one of the pinnacles of human engineering... it might just be the peak of petrol-powered technology given that we're starting to look elsewhere for our horsepower; to me it's a piece of art... 3) to own an example is to own a piece of history. Where do you find it in you to hate on someone for that?
I'd rather see people enjoy their money than keep it in the bank doing nothing any day... if you want to look at it in purely redistributive terms, that's £850k back into the economy that would otherwise just be piling up in someone's Scrooge McDuck pool.
People who spend are great. It's the tight bastards you've got to watch out for.
a Bugatti or a Veyron is not a nicer car by any standard.Riddles wrote:having a nicer house is a provocative spectacle and therefore people with nice houses deserve cocks drawn on them?
Sure and there's even people like me that would argue that if it at all could be implied it is an implication in waiting.It can be, but that can also be inferred when it's not been intentionally implied.
I prefer political correctness gone mad and then treated and returned into society basicly lol. That's a good political stance i think.That's rather prescriptive of other people's tastes. To some of us and original pressing of Anti War Dub is worth more than an mp3... they both play the same piece of music, but one has an added value to enthusiasts. If you don't lust after cars, but only take them at their utilitarian value then you'll be happy spending your life in a Toyota Corolla... it'll get you from A to B and it'll probably last until you die, but if you have an actual passion for cars you're obviously going to want something that feels "special".hubb wrote:a Bugatti or a Veyron is not a nicer car by any standard.