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Great, but very slightly difficult to really get sucked into because almost all the characters are impossible to like. It's an entertaining look at the folk scene centred around the New York Village and Gaslight club in the early 60s, but not quite as substantial as the reviews would have you hope.

Is it a documentary or a film Magma?

Film. Pretty much everyone's fictional apart from an off-camera appearance by Bob Dylan at the very end.

Hiroshima, Mon Amour. Beautiful film, its done by Resnais so anyone whos into his shit should give it a go. Beginnings of the French new wave right there, the whole classy sexy ting. Plus its got the same lady that's in that new-ish Haneke film Amour, which is also amazing (maybe the title correlation is deliberate, I dunno; they are both landmark films imo)

he almost takes the piss with how much he switches it up, it goes from some truly gruesome post-WW2 Hiroshima scenery to just the most classy setting in the same city, 14 years later. madness hahah, made it very engaging even though there wasnt anything that happened in terms of major actions

Magma

Great, but very slightly difficult to really get sucked into because almost all the characters are impossible to like. It's an entertaining look at the folk scene centred around the New York Village and Gaslight club in the early 60s, but not quite as substantial as the reviews would have you hope.

very slightly ok.
I think I know what you mean but felt that was how they made it clear that the times would have to be a-changing. Excuse the pun,

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I mean like the bird and her whole pregnancy deal, they had to make it a bit more serious of an issue than today and in that with her for example being that cold, instead showed how she cared. It was also used to make it clear how much 'hope' Dylan brought back to the youth in that post-war climate and in by doing that, sort of took music more seriously than we are used to. I think the way they take on this old sound is pretty remarkable. Let's just hope there's two amazing jamaican directors comming about in a few years

JizzMan wrote:Hiroshima, Mon Amour. Beautiful film, its done by Resnais so anyone whos into his shit should give it a go. Beginnings of the French new wave right there, the whole classy sexy ting. Plus its got the same lady that's in that new-ish Haneke film Amour, which is also amazing (maybe the title correlation is deliberate, I dunno; they are both landmark films imo)

he almost takes the piss with how much he switches it up, it goes from some truly gruesome post-WW2 Hiroshima scenery to just the most classy setting in the same city, 14 years later. madness hahah, made it very engaging even though there wasnt anything that happened in terms of major actions

Yeh Hiroshima, Mon Amour is great. Need to get around to watching Last Year at Marienbad at some point

nice spoiler magma lol

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bob dylan at the end

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leyenda303 wrote:

JizzMan wrote:Hiroshima, Mon Amour. Beautiful film, its done by Resnais so anyone whos into his shit should give it a go. Beginnings of the French new wave right there, the whole classy sexy ting. Plus its got the same lady that's in that new-ish Haneke film Amour, which is also amazing (maybe the title correlation is deliberate, I dunno; they are both landmark films imo)

he almost takes the piss with how much he switches it up, it goes from some truly gruesome post-WW2 Hiroshima scenery to just the most classy setting in the same city, 14 years later. madness hahah, made it very engaging even though there wasnt anything that happened in terms of major actions

Yeh Hiroshima, Mon Amour is great. Need to get around to watching Last Year at Marienbad at some point

yeaa gonna watch that soon myself. on a similar tip but done by a different director: Umbrellas of Cherbourg, aint seen it myself but it's supposed to be good

DiegoSapiens wrote:bob dylan at the end

Well, he's off camera and has no impact on the storyline, so...

What about responding to my post? .

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me, me ,meeeeeeee

hubb wrote:I think I know what you mean but felt that was how they made it clear that the times would have to be a-changing. Excuse the pun,

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I mean like the bird and her whole pregnancy deal, they had to make it a bit more serious of an issue than today and in that with her for example being that cold, instead showed how she cared. It was also used to make it clear how much 'hope' Dylan brought back to the youth in that post-war climate and in by doing that, sort of took music more seriously than we are used to. I think the way they take on this old sound is pretty remarkable. Let's just hope there's two amazing jamaican directors comming about in a few years

That's a really good/positive take on it.

Some spoilery folk-related rambles:

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It almost felt to me like they got Dylan's 'importance' at the time of the movie a bit out of whack with the ending... he was a revelation for the folk scene, because he gave it enough pop sensibility to break out a bit further than the beardy communist set who ran Hootenanny and the like, but he wasn't any sortof Jesus by 1961... he was a kid, new to town who was still learning his craft from the real masters like Woodie Guthrie and, later, Pete Seeger. It almost felt like you were supposed to think "Everyone's lost... everyone's a dick... everyone's out for themselves... but then DYLAN... it must be alright after Dylan shows up!", but Dylan was exactly like the rest of them in 1961, if not more so... the only difference was he didn't tie himself to such a dusty old sound forever. Pete Seeger had written protest anthems (If I Had A Hammer, We Shall Overcome, My Rainbow Race etc) which were actually taken up by the people... Dylan wrote protest-suitable songs, but never really gave a fuck about protesting and apart from Blowin' In The Wind, the people didn't go around singing his songs outside of their homes. Joan Baez always says she went to every civil rights protest wishing Dylan would turn up to play some songs and he never did; he was just as self-centered as Llewyn Davis. The whole folk scene was full of egos that refused to admit having an ego, self-professed communists that yearned for personal fame and wealth... in that way, I think the film summed it up wonderfully... the rich benefactors just wanted to be cool, the 'cool' kids wanted to be rich, the fans wanted music to mean something, but didn't really know what... for a period in music I love SO dearly, it's kind of a depressing thing to admit.

"NY77: The Coolest Year in Hell"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1080761/

docu about New York in 1977: son of sam murders b2b citywide blackout b2b birth of punk at cbgb b2b disco blowing up at studio 54 b2b birth of hip hop in the bronx b2b early graffiti scene, there's bound to be something of interest for anyone in there

Niiiiiiiiiiiiice!

magma wrote:

DiegoSapiens wrote:bob dylan at the end

Well, he's off camera and has no impact on the storyline, so...

yeah but i a good detail at the end

Valkyrie. Mates been on at me for years to watch it, finally got round to it.. Solid 8/10 imo. Even though I hate Cruise.

Cheers Magma, I will have to look into some of those cats you (and my dad) have mentioned. Interesting insight. I'm sure him being jewish is part of why he seems like such a revelation to a specific group of intellectuals at the time.