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As long as their are people there will be war...
mankind is made kill the outsider.

fretn wrote:As long as their are people there will be war...
mankind is made kill the outsider.

i prefer to have faith in the better side of human nature, we are constantly evolving after all
plus i believe if you take money/religion/nationalism/patriotism/ego out of the equation, war is impossible
find me a war that did not start from any of those reasons

i can't really explain why i think that, it's more that i think the creator won't be credited as well without it, but then when i think about it it's like well, hell be credited just as much.

think i've been on the old smoke a bit too much tonight

money is a form of slavery, it is impossible to deny that
yes it may seem a slack form of slavery but:

"the best form of imprisonment is where the prisoners believe they are free"

hackman wrote:

noam wrote:a culture of uniformity and equality is not a culture at all, not once you've evolved past being... a culture...

exactly, we need to evolve past cultures and nationalities
they just breed negativity in the majority of cases

i see what you mean but you're looking at human society in its most negative light

culture is what makes the world beautiful, culture is what gives you the concepts of freedom and beauty, exploration, harmony etc. culture is everything.

without the good and the bad we have no concept of either, uniformity might be aesthetically appealing but is ultimately uninteresting. diversity is what breeds creation and evolution. without it there is no reason to live.

hackman wrote:

fretn wrote:As long as their are people there will be war...
mankind is made kill the outsider.

i prefer to have faith in the better side of human nature, we are constantly evolving after all
plus i believe if you take money/religion/nationalism/patriotism/ego out of the equation, war is impossible
find me a war that did not start from any of those reasons

tell me how to remove this... it's scribbeled in our instincts.
you have your peers & your enemies.
a society without money can't function.
people will always find an alternative to religion, look at atheists. it starts to look like a "church" on its own.

hackman wrote:money is a form of slavery, it is impossible to deny that
yes it may seem a slack form of slavery but:

"the best form of imprisonment is where the prisoners believe they are free"

Marcuse?

noam wrote:

hackman wrote:

noam wrote:a culture of uniformity and equality is not a culture at all, not once you've evolved past being... a culture...

exactly, we need to evolve past cultures and nationalities
they just breed negativity in the majority of cases

i see what you mean but you're looking at human society in its most negative light

culture is what makes the world beautiful, culture is what gives you the concepts of freedom and beauty, exploration, harmony etc. culture is everything.

without the good and the bad we have no concept of either, uniformity might be aesthetically appealing but is ultimately uninteresting. diversity is what breeds creation and evolution. without it there is no reason to live.

yeah i said i more meant nationalism and patriotism than culture
people are always going to make music, paint art, dress differently, make different food etc
i have no problem there!

fretn wrote:

hackman wrote:

fretn wrote:As long as their are people there will be war...
mankind is made kill the outsider.

i prefer to have faith in the better side of human nature, we are constantly evolving after all
plus i believe if you take money/religion/nationalism/patriotism/ego out of the equation, war is impossible
find me a war that did not start from any of those reasons

tell me how to remove this... it's scribbeled in our instincts.

that's the whole point of spiritual evolution
to rise above our primitive basic instincts
it is possible to change yourself lol
people just can't be bothered, cos it takes too much effort
they'd much prefer to just let things carry on how they're going, and watch tv

noam wrote:

hackman wrote:

noam wrote:a culture of uniformity and equality is not a culture at all, not once you've evolved past being... a culture...

exactly, we need to evolve past cultures and nationalities
they just breed negativity in the majority of cases

i see what you mean but you're looking at human society in its most negative light

culture is what makes the world beautiful, culture is what gives you the concepts of freedom and beauty, exploration, harmony etc. culture is everything.

without the good and the bad we have no concept of either, uniformity might be aesthetically appealing but is ultimately uninteresting. diversity is what breeds creation and evolution. without it there is no reason to live.

werd

i have not said once i think everyone should just be carbon copies of one another
you can have artistic diversity without patriotism

hackman wrote:

fretn wrote:

hackman wrote:

fretn wrote:As long as their are people there will be war...
mankind is made kill the outsider.

i prefer to have faith in the better side of human nature, we are constantly evolving after all
plus i believe if you take money/religion/nationalism/patriotism/ego out of the equation, war is impossible
find me a war that did not start from any of those reasons

tell me how to remove this... it's scribbeled in our instincts.

that's the whole point of spiritual evolution
to rise above our primitive basic instincts
it is possible to change yourself lol
people just can't be bothered, cos it takes too much effort
they'd much prefer to just let things carry on how they're going, and watch tv

"spiritual" says enough = metaphysics, therefore doesn't have any value.
for someone as intelligent as you you should know that people do not think in rational way.
rationality is just not enough to control our passions & that's why anarchism will never work as an example.

people will just want to do fun stuff and be bone idle without being rewarded for there interests

love is a double sided coin

yeah i started that post then got distracted

i get what you mean about nationalism and patriotism, i agree in a way, does this mean you fundamentally disagree with democracy then?

who said metaphysics has no value? shit if Parson thought i had no concept of metaphysics this guy takes the biscuit...

noam wrote:yeah i started that post then got distracted

i get what you mean about nationalism and patriotism, i agree in a way, does this mean you fundamentally disagree with democracy then?

who said metaphysics has no value? shit if Parson thought i had no concept of metaphysics this guy takes the biscuit...

gwa wrote:stop derailing the thread

stop filming dudes busting nuts.

Mattron wrote:

gwa wrote:stop derailing the thread

stop filming dudes busting nuts.

MATTRON GOES FOR THE KICK, AND HE SCOOORRRREESSSSSSSSSS!

I'm done now. but, to all the kids out there.

don't film your homies beating off.

noam wrote:yeah i started that post then got distracted

i get what you mean about nationalism and patriotism, i agree in a way, does this mean you fundamentally disagree with democracy then?

who said metaphysics has no value? shit if Parson thought i had no concept of metaphysics this guy takes the biscuit...

no, but there probably isn't any real democracy on earth for the most part
i assume you mean fretn is taking the biscuit not me?

fretn wrote:

noam wrote:yeah i started that post then got distracted

i get what you mean about nationalism and patriotism, i agree in a way, does this mean you fundamentally disagree with democracy then?

who said metaphysics has no value? shit if Parson thought i had no concept of metaphysics this guy takes the biscuit...

hackman wrote:

noam wrote:yeah i started that post then got distracted

i get what you mean about nationalism and patriotism, i agree in a way, does this mean you fundamentally disagree with democracy then?

who said metaphysics has no value? shit if Parson thought i had no concept of metaphysics this guy takes the biscuit...

no, but there probably isn't any real democracy on earth for the most part
i assume you mean fretn is taking the biscuit not me?

and yeah, he was definitely taking the biscuit, metaphysics is a fundamental building block of our understanding of language, what is possible, reality and who we are