Major Earthquake + Tsunami in Japan

[clifford_-]

This makes me weep for humanity the most;

http://twitpic.com/show/full/499hpk

That is such poor form on the part of the American posters.
Who dropped the big old A-bomb?

Exactley, they forget how many people in nagasaki and hiroshima were killed.
My dad reckons its because alot of theese dickheads fathers/grandfathers spent time in japanese pow camps, so they have been bought up to be slightly anti japanese. Alot of old dudes in the states will never buy a japanese car so ive heard...
(Can any yanks correct me/back me up on this?? is there animosity still there that has been handed down the generations?)

[nowaysj]

In regards to the safety of nuclear power... Correct me if I'm wrong, but the cooling system in the plant failed because outside power was cut, and then the generators failed for the cooling system, and then the batteries died. Is that the extent of your fail safe for a facility that can rain down radioactive material for hundreds of miles? That sounds like the fail safe for a renegade rave.

Now they are using the sprinkler system to cool the core? Wtf? This seems like extremely poor planning and design. Theoretically, maybe, a plant can be run safely, just seems like when this kind of thing gets into the real world, shit happens, so maybe best not get them into the real world?

How many new plants are scheduled to be built in the coming years. Is it over a hundred?

I use A LOT of electricity. Electronic music making is extremely ungreen.

[Shum]

Electronic music making is extremely ungreen.

This is off topic but that quote reminded of me of an album by Orbital that I think was written and/or recorded in a solar powered bus or something like that ha ha.

[joeki]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the cooling system in the plant failed because outside power was cut, and then the generators failed for the cooling system, and then the batteries died. Is that the extent of your fail safe for a facility that can rain down radioactive material for hundreds of miles? That sounds like the fail safe for a renegade rave. .

Yes, the cooling system was certainly not made to survive these circumstances. It is still unclear why it failed. It could be the external (diesel) powered generators were damaged because of the tsunami. Others were apparently damaged during the several explosions that ensued later.
The system is designed in a way that should the cooling system (pumps) fail, the cores should remain submerged for something up to 8 hours I believe. It took the engineers longer than 8 Hours to get fresh water pumping back into the reactors though, causing several of the rods to become exposed which caused massive overheating (not melting as far as I know). Absence of clean freshwater (de-mineralized) forced them to use Seawater which is less effective. => Steam => Venting => current situation .
If you look at the schematics of the installation, it does in fact resemble an inflated balloon. Getting water in such a structure (with steam, heat and pressure taken in account) is not evident.

Mistakes were made, undoubtedly, but this facility is over 30 years old mind you. Anyway, it looks like whatever the outcome will be, it will be retired anyway as it is already damaged beyond repair...

[lloydnoise]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the cooling system in the plant failed because outside power was cut, and then the generators failed for the cooling system, and then the batteries died. Is that the extent of your fail safe for a facility that can rain down radioactive material for hundreds of miles? That sounds like the fail safe for a renegade rave. .

Yes, the cooling system was certainly not made to survive these circumstances. It is still unclear why it failed. It could be the external (diesel) powered generators were damaged because of the tsunami. Others were apparently damaged during the several explosions that ensued later.
The system is designed in a way that should the cooling system (pumps) fail, the cores should remain submerged for something up to 8 hours I believe. It took the engineers longer than 8 Hours to get fresh water pumping back into the reactors though, causing several of the rods to become exposed which caused massive overheating (not melting as far as I know). Absence of clean freshwater (de-mineralized) forced them to use Seawater which is less effective. => Steam => Venting => current situation .
If you look at the schematics of the installation, it does in fact resemble an inflated balloon. Getting water in such a structure (with steam, heat and pressure taken in account) is not evident.

Mistakes were made, undoubtedly, but this facility is over 30 years old mind you. Anyway, it looks like whatever the outcome will be, it will be retired anyway as it is already damaged beyond repair...

The main problem when pumping was trying to get more in than boiled away which is, as I understand it, fairly impossible in the current situation. Also, seawater is a lot more corrosive than the freshwater traditionally used in cooling systems, probably won't make a difference but it's a factor to bear in mind. This won't be a Chernobyl for sure but probably closer to a 3 Mile Island style issue (gases expelled but generally low iodine levels) which still ain't good. Hope they can get it under control.

[Electric_Head]

This makes me weep for humanity the most;

http://twitpic.com/show/full/499hpk

That is such poor form on the part of the American posters.
Who dropped the big old A-bomb?

Exactley, they forget how many people in nagasaki and hiroshima were killed.
My dad reckons its because alot of theese dickheads fathers/grandfathers spent time in japanese pow camps, so they have been bought up to be slightly anti japanese. Alot of old dudes in the states will never buy a japanese car so ive heard...
(Can any yanks correct me/back me up on this?? is there animosity still there that has been handed down the generations?)

Clifford - notice how they comment on Toyota and American cars as though American cars are sooooo sought after world wide?
It just seems that a large percentage of American people are just against Japan regardless.
They talk about Catrina as though they actually assisted their own people and now expect Japan to have assisted them.
The bloody Americans were too slow to assist their own people, they`re assisting the Japanese to make themselves feel better.
It`s all a massive publicity stunt on the part of the American Gov.

[frank grimes jr.]

is there animosity still there that has been handed down the generations?)

Perhaps there is a small slice of Americans that have there heads up their asses.
In the US, people don't look up to their elders until they need cash.

[frank grimes jr.]

This makes me weep for humanity the most;

http://twitpic.com/show/full/499hpk

That is such poor form on the part of the American posters.
Who dropped the big old A-bomb?

Exactley, they forget how many people in nagasaki and hiroshima were killed.
My dad reckons its because alot of theese dickheads fathers/grandfathers spent time in japanese pow camps, so they have been bought up to be slightly anti japanese. Alot of old dudes in the states will never buy a japanese car so ive heard...
(Can any yanks correct me/back me up on this?? is there animosity still there that has been handed down the generations?)

Clifford - notice how they comment on Toyota and American cars as though American cars are sooooo sought after world wide?
It just seems that a large percentage of American people are just against Japan regardless.
They talk about Catrina as though they actually assisted their own people and now expect Japan to have assisted them.
The bloody Americans were too slow to assist their own people, they`re assisting the Japanese to make themselves feel better.
It`s all a massive publicity stunt on the part of the American Gov.

You know, there are racist people all over the world... and they lived in other parts of the world long before the United States was founded.
I don't think it's right, but I also don't jump to conclusions about 310 million people.

[Basstronomer]

This makes me weep for humanity the most;

http://twitpic.com/show/full/499hpk

That is such poor form on the part of the American posters.
Who dropped the big old A-bomb?

Exactley, they forget how many people in nagasaki and hiroshima were killed.
My dad reckons its because alot of theese dickheads fathers/grandfathers spent time in japanese pow camps, so they have been bought up to be slightly anti japanese. Alot of old dudes in the states will never buy a japanese car so ive heard...
(Can any yanks correct me/back me up on this?? is there animosity still there that has been handed down the generations?)

Clifford - notice how they comment on Toyota and American cars as though American cars are sooooo sought after world wide?
It just seems that a large percentage of American people are just against Japan regardless.
They talk about Catrina as though they actually assisted their own people and now expect Japan to have assisted them.
The bloody Americans were too slow to assist their own people, they`re assisting the Japanese to make themselves feel better.
It`s all a massive publicity stunt on the part of the American Gov.

You know, there are racist people all over the world... and they lived in other parts of the world long before the United States was founded.
I don't think it's right, but I also don't jump to conclusions about 310 million people.

I think this has more to do with ignorance than racism

[frank grimes jr.]

Whatever, it has nothing to do with this thread and needs to be SQUASHED.

[pkay]

Exactley, they forget how many people in nagasaki and hiroshima were killed.
My dad reckons its because alot of theese dickheads fathers/grandfathers spent time in japanese pow camps, so they have been bought up to be slightly anti japanese. Alot of old dudes in the states will never buy a japanese car so ive heard...
(Can any yanks correct me/back me up on this?? is there animosity still there that has been handed down the generations?)

Hardly,

We're multiple generations removed from world war 2 and most of those who fought in world war 2 are dead or dying. These comments were cherry picked out, and despite how ugly they are, don't represent any large portion of our country.

It's no different than when 9-11 happened and every uneducated asshole on the planet decided to say stupid shit about the USA.

As far as the japanese cars.... those who won't buy japanese mostly do so on a standpoint of simply wanting to buy american as we are also a giant in the industry. Toyota Corolla and Honda Civic have historically been 2 of the best selling cars annually in the US. We buy mad Japanese cars.

[pkay]

Clifford - notice how they comment on Toyota and American cars as though American cars are sooooo sought after world wide?
It just seems that a large percentage of American people are just against Japan regardless.
They talk about Catrina as though they actually assisted their own people and now expect Japan to have assisted them.
The bloody Americans were too slow to assist their own people, they`re assisting the Japanese to make themselves feel better.
It`s all a massive publicity stunt on the part of the American Gov.

Let's say you're right. It's a huge publicity stunt. The end result is hundreds of millions in aid, fleets of helicopters, and search and rescue teams are sent to help out people in need. So who the fuck cares? Would you rather that aid not go to Japan?

You sound more concerned with the politics of this all and not helping the people of Japan, in turn making you a piece of shit.

If the american 'publicity stunt' saves one life then it's worth it in the long run.

[noam]

Clifford - notice how they comment on Toyota and American cars as though American cars are sooooo sought after world wide?
It just seems that a large percentage of American people are just against Japan regardless.
They talk about Catrina as though they actually assisted their own people and now expect Japan to have assisted them.
The bloody Americans were too slow to assist their own people, they`re assisting the Japanese to make themselves feel better.
It`s all a massive publicity stunt on the part of the American Gov.

Let's say you're right. It's a huge publicity stunt. The end result is hundreds of millions in aid, fleets of helicopters, and search and rescue teams are sent to help out people in need. So who the fuck cares? Would you rather that aid not go to Japan?

You sound more concerned with the politics of this all and not helping the people of Japan, in turn making you a piece of shit.

If the american 'publicity stunt' saves one life then it's worth it in the long run.

i think its completely normal and healthy to recognise the politics of situations like this; he didn't say that because its a publicity stunt they shouldn't do it etc. etc.

i dont think anyone on here is naive enough to believe that America would send millions of dollars worth of aid without expecting a return off of Japan at some point in the future, you especially should know this since you're so down with your politics.

i think the point is that everyone loves to see this aid going to japan, what we would hope for is that it is a no-strings attached, out of the goodness of their hearts type aid, and i think everyone knows that would never be the case.

[pkay]

i dont think anyone on here is naive enough to believe that America would send millions of dollars worth of aid without expecting a return

Like Haiti and Indonesia? that'd be billions with in those scenarios

japan is one of our largest trade partners. It's mutually beneficial for Japan to get back up on its feet.

The same way everyone in europe acted like they cared about the US for a few weeks after 9-11 when they realized how reliant they are on our economy.

regardless I'm sure all of us could find a classier way to wave our flags and sword fight with our cocks outside of a thread addressing the massive loss of human life in Japan.

back on topic

[noam]

i dont think anyone on here is naive enough to believe that America would send millions of dollars worth of aid without expecting a return

The same way everyone in europe acted like they cared about the US for a few weeks after 9-11 when they realized how reliant they are on our economy.

regardless I'm sure all of us could find a classier way to wave our flags and sword fight with our cocks outside of a thread addressing the massive loss of human life in Japan.

back on topic

im not doing that...

lol chill out

[frank grimes jr.]

Pkay can't chill out, he's made of BK fries and dexatrim... like all good Americans.

[pkay]

Pkay can't chill out, he's made of BK fries and dexatrim... like all good Americans.

don't be dissing bk fries. only place you can get vegan fries really at fast food. The ones in Austin use a separate fryer.

[seckle]

i know that the UK people in here aren't having a moan about US racism and discrimination, because you don't want to open that door. We'll be here all night starting from 1800 onwards with the amount of shit the UK has done to dozens of countries around the world.

Don't throw rocks in glass castles. Were should we start? The caribbean, ireland, scotland, africa, south east asia, india? Who wants it?

[pkay]

I saw bend it like beckham. I generally assume you are all terrible racists.

[wub]

Don't throw rocks in glass castles. Were should we start? The caribbean, ireland, scotland, africa, south east asia, india? Who wants it?

Isle Of Man. They look the type.