UK riots

[JBoy]

^I live in London and I don't have to deal with 'people like that'.
I don't think it's as monochrome as your making it sound, JBoy.

Fair enough you'd obviously know more than me since you live there but how does the poilce shooting an armed man warrant all these riots? Its just causing shit for other people thats all.

[LA_Boxers]

Apparently theres something about to kick off in Croydon. A bloke was shot dead in West Norwood early this morning. May be to do with this or may be to do with copycats.

[LA_Boxers]

http://www.thisiscroydontoday.co.uk/Con ... story.html

[particle-jim]

^I live in London and I don't have to deal with 'people like that'.
I don't think it's as monochrome as your making it sound, JBoy.

Fair enough you'd obviously know more than me since you live there but how does the poilce shooting an armed man warrant all these riots? Its just causing shit for other people thats all.

was he though? many conflicting reports on this

[JBoy]

^I live in London and I don't have to deal with 'people like that'.
I don't think it's as monochrome as your making it sound, JBoy.

Fair enough you'd obviously know more than me since you live there but how does the poilce shooting an armed man warrant all these riots? Its just causing shit for other people thats all.

was he though? many conflicting reports on this

Said on bbc news he was armed, police are going to shoot you if they feel youre a threat the public.

[particle-jim]

^I live in London and I don't have to deal with 'people like that'.
I don't think it's as monochrome as your making it sound, JBoy.

Fair enough you'd obviously know more than me since you live there but how does the poilce shooting an armed man warrant all these riots? Its just causing shit for other people thats all.

was he though? many conflicting reports on this

Said on bbc news he was armed, police are going to shoot you if they feel youre a threat the public.

and where did the bbc get their information from? the met? the govt?

[magma]

^I live in London and I don't have to deal with 'people like that'.
I don't think it's as monochrome as your making it sound, JBoy.

Fair enough you'd obviously know more than me since you live there but how does the poilce shooting an armed man warrant all these riots? Its just causing shit for other people thats all.

was he though? many conflicting reports on this

Said on bbc news he was armed, police are going to shoot you if they feel youre a threat the public.

The main issue at the moment is that the bullet allegedly fired at police was..... a police bullet.... and the gun that the bloke had on him was actually in a sock in the footwell of his car.

To say confidence in the Met has been knocked a bit over the past year or so would be an understatement.

[hugh]

they are getting most of their coverage from the police themselves. so yeah I would take any reports with a pinch of salt.

What a bunch of idiotic scum. Do they really think theyre stupid little riots will achieve anything. Thank fuck i dont live in london and dont have to deal with disgusting people like that, it pisses me off how people like that complain like: 'oh my areas so shit, my life has been so hard et etc blah blah'. Im sure there is thousands of people from rough areas with underprivaliged backgrounds that have achieved something in life and are doing well for themselves. The whole black card doesnt have any credability in the 21st century.

I saw a documentary a short while back. It stated that something like 95% of the people in power now were people who were basically fast tracked through their life onto the political mainstage. The majority of native CEOs also come from private school-Bullingdon club-Eton stock. The black card has almost as much credibility in the 21st Century as it had towards the end of the 19th century. It was only during the 60s/70s that economic disparity showed any signs of trending towards equalisation, however now though, things are as bad as they were over 100(!seriously!) years ago.
Also I think the issues behind these riots run a lot deeper and are a lot more complex than you are making them out to be. I'm surprised shit hasn't kicked off sooner because the amount of shit we have had put up with as a nation over just the past year and a half is disgusting.

I would liken the whole Duggan fiasco to the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand nearly a hundred years ago. Although not directly related to other countries, it acted as a spark that served to ignite the undercurrents of discontent that had been brewing across the whole of Europe. This time, things are localised and are intra-national.

[oski]

^I live in London and I don't have to deal with 'people like that'.
I don't think it's as monochrome as your making it sound, JBoy.

Fair enough you'd obviously know more than me since you live there but how does the poilce shooting an armed man warrant all these riots? Its just causing shit for other people thats all.

was he though? many conflicting reports on this

Said on bbc news he was armed, police are going to shoot you if they feel youre a threat the public.

The main issue at the moment is that the bullet allegedly fired at police was..... a police bullet.... and the gun that the bloke had on him was actually in a sock in the footwell of his car.

To say confidence in the Met has been knocked a bit over the past year or so would be an understatement.

What magma said... there's a lot of people saying he got dragged out the car.. pinned to the floor and shot execution style..

[LA_Boxers]

What magma said... there's a lot of people saying he got dragged out the car.. pinned to the floor and shot execution style..

I find that hard to believe tbh. I personally think one of the police officers accidently let off a shot, the other officers then thought it was the suspect shooting (as police officers have to give warning/say when they are going to fire), and then fired on the suspect.

[gage]

they are getting most of their coverage from the police themselves. so yeah I would take any reports with a pinch of salt.

Also I think the issues behind these riots run a lot deeper and are a lot more complex than you are making them out to be. I'm surprised shit hasn't kicked off sooner because the amount of shit we have had put up with as a nation over just the past year and a half is disgusting.

I would liken the whole Duggan fiasco to the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand nearly a hundred years ago. Although not directly related to other countries, it acted as a spark that served to ignite the undercurrents of discontent that had been brewing across the whole of Europe. This time, things are localised and are intra-national.

FULLY agree with all of this

I don't think it has much to do with race, i believe it's more of a class issue and treatment by police to inner city/urban(cringe) teens/post teens

[oski]

What magma said... there's a lot of people saying he got dragged out the car.. pinned to the floor and shot execution style..

I find that hard to believe tbh. I personally think one of the police officers accidently let off a shot, the other officers then thought it was the suspect shooting (as police officers have to give warning/say when they are going to fire), and then fired on the suspect.

that's possible as well.. but if you distrust the police as much as a large number of people in london do then you're going to believe that they executed him. and that would make you very angry

[magma]

What magma said... there's a lot of people saying he got dragged out the car.. pinned to the floor and shot execution style..

I find that hard to believe tbh. I personally think one of the police officers accidently let off a shot, the other officers then thought it was the suspect shooting (as police officers have to give warning/say when they are going to fire), and then fired on the suspect.

That's got to be the most likely, but it'll be interesting to see quite how many witnesses are called by the IPCC and what they say happened. It's too early for wild speculation, though, you're right.

[JBoy]

they are getting most of their coverage from the police themselves. so yeah I would take any reports with a pinch of salt.

What a bunch of idiotic scum. Do they really think theyre stupid little riots will achieve anything. Thank fuck i dont live in london and dont have to deal with disgusting people like that, it pisses me off how people like that complain like: 'oh my areas so shit, my life has been so hard et etc blah blah'. Im sure there is thousands of people from rough areas with underprivaliged backgrounds that have achieved something in life and are doing well for themselves. The whole black card doesnt have any credability in the 21st century.

I saw a documentary a short while back. It stated that something like 95% of the people in power now were people who were basically fast tracked through their life onto the political mainstage. The majority of native CEOs also come from private school-Bullingdon club-Eton stock. The black card has almost as much credibility in the 21st Century as it had towards the end of the 19th century. It was only during the 60s/70s that economic disparity showed any signs of trending towards equalisation, however now though, things are as bad as they were over 100(!seriously!) years ago.
Also I think the issues behind these riots run a lot deeper and are a lot more complex than you are making them out to be. I'm surprised shit hasn't kicked off sooner because the amount of shit we have had put up with as a nation over just the past year and a half is disgusting.


I would liken the whole Duggan fiasco to the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand nearly a hundred years ago. Although not directly related to other countries, it acted as a spark that served to ignite the undercurrents of discontent that had been brewing across the whole of Europe. This time, things are localised and are intra-national.

Compared to some of the shitty places in the world, england doesnt have it that bad at all and its not like the riots are people fighting for political or social change like in syria or eygypt for example, its just a bunch of hooligans causing trouble for everyone else.

[clifford_-]

its all kicking off in hackney!

[hugh]

No but I do strongly feel that these riots epitomise the working and middles classes growing frustrations. And quite rightly.
Remember this isn't just about having or not having. It's about control and disparity. And I do believe it is a very social thing, just many of those involved are not quite aware of the fact.
Look at the Russian Revolution. Most of the proletariat were not particularly educated on what was going on around them. They just knew they were pissed off about 'something'.
I'm not condoning the hooliganism or the violence in any way. I don't believe comparing our culture to Egyptian culture is wise either.
The positives that come out of this stuff? These events reaffirm the populace's belief that if we are truly not happy about something, then we can quickly start tearing shit up and make a real point. Noone remembers some pussy who campaigned with a little banner. Everyone remembers that guy who threw a fucking fire extinguisher off the roof during the student riots though. Get my point?

[JBoy]

No but I do strongly feel that these riots epitomise the working and middles classes growing frustrations. And quite rightly.
Remember this isn't just about having or not having. It's about control and disparity. And I do believe it is a very social thing, just many of those involved are not quite aware of the fact.
Look at the Russian Revolution. Most of the proletariat were not particularly educated on what was going on around them. They just knew they were pissed off about 'something'.
I'm not condoning the hooliganism or the violence in any way. I don't believe comparing our culture to Egyptian culture is wise either.
The positives that come out of this stuff? These events reaffirm the populace's belief that if we are truly not happy about something, then we can quickly start tearing shit up and make a real point. Noone remembers some pussy who campaigned with a little banner. Everyone remembers that guy who threw a fucking fire extinguisher off the roof during the student riots though. Get my point?

The student riots were just as pathetic, i know its expensive etc but half of uni applicants will have it all payed for by mummy and daddy and the other half will pay a fiver of there student loan back a week so by the time they die it still wont have been payed, so whats the big drama?

[Crosby]

its all kicking off in hackney!

Watching it live now on bbc news channel, live looting of JD sports and a truck so far

[pkay]

The positives that come out of this stuff? These events reaffirm the populace's belief that if we are truly not happy about something, then we can quickly start tearing shit up and make a real point. Noone remembers some pussy who campaigned with a little banner. Everyone remembers that guy who threw a fucking fire extinguisher off the roof during the student riots though. Get my point?

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

I'm sure in 20 years they'll be building monuments to dumbass who through fire extinguisher. When people visit England it will be a landmark tourists will come visit. There will be a small portion of a stone building with a student hurling a fire extinguisher.... the plaque will read "in the early 21st century during a student riot this guy through a fire extinguisher off a roof"

are you fucking joking? No ones going to remember that dumbass

History remembers those who brought about actual change.... and change is never done the easy way. If a riot actually changed anything in the government, people would riot daily. It doesn't. History remembers those who took the hard route. Those who suffered for what they believe in. The civil rights marches, Tianeman square, Iranian Revolution, The Monday Demonstrations, history remembers this... not fire extinguisher guy.

[Blerim]

The student riots were just as pathetic, i know its expensive etc but half of uni applicants will have it all payed for by mummy and daddy and the other half will pay a fiver of there student loan back a week so by the time they die it still wont have been payed, so whats the big drama?

shut up you fassy you don't know shit about shit