Illegally Downloading Music

[Pistonsbeneath]

Piracy isn't beneficial for the industry

Who is the industry?

And when the industry was booming prior to this whole shift, was there not any "theft" going on by said industry?

its the people within it ala musicians it becomes local the more you think about it and you realise youre doing a disservice to your neighbour not some black shadowy figure known as the man

[Muncey]

I'll buy vinyls and CDs if something is good, i see no difference in illegally downloading an album and listening to it before you buy than just simply listening to all the songs on youtube. Theres no way i'd have paid for Neros album, however i do like them and downloaded their album... it was a huge flop though.

Also i remember watching a Pearson Sound interview where he was talking about DJing as a producer and that you earn the majority of their money playing gigs.. but nowadays you pretty much need to produce stuff to be a popular DJ. I'd hate to know the amount i've spent going to gigs this year... I spent over £150 in tickets just going to warehouse project from october to now.. thats just one venue.

I bet theres some big players in the scene out there that wouldn't be where they were now without illegal downloading.. be it illegally downloading music to start mixing with because they can't afford the prices for turntables & a collection of vinyls or illegally downloading music production software to see if they're any good.

[Cornbreadddd]

I can't really download illegally because I'm impatient, I can't wait a couple days for someone to put it on a ****EDIT. don't put up filesharing site names on this forum.Moderators*****

I guess it comes from just being so obsessed with this genre. The only things I have download illegally were all the vinyl only releases from MEDi, the DMZ releases, and .....some stuff on night slugs because I was trying to see if I could get it to grow on me, I couldn't.

Other than that I buy all my music now, plus I just got a turntable and I'm now buying vinyls, my first shipment came in yesterday (blackbox/boxclever have the coolest fucking sleeves!) TMSV - Myth / Flow is my favorite looking sleeve out of all the ones I got.

[apmje]

^ Never known anyone rim a producer as much as you do Biome.

[AllNightDayDream]

Piracy isn't beneficial for the industry

Who is the industry?

And when the industry was booming prior to this whole shift, was there not any "theft" going on by said industry?

its the people within it ala musicians it becomes local the more you think about it and you realise youre doing a disservice to your neighbour not some black shadowy figure known as the man

When you look at the data, the opposite is true. Small local artists benefit, and large music holding companies lose out, which is why you see the losses reported by them. You can't account for all the burgeoning labels, but their percentage of the market is increasing substantially. If small artists and labels all of a sudden became much less profitable, you wouldn't see the steady acceleration of releases and new labels, nor the increase in ticket prices and live audiences. The market is booming, just not for companies that expanded themselves too wide.

[Pistonsbeneath]

Piracy isn't beneficial for the industry

Who is the industry?

And when the industry was booming prior to this whole shift, was there not any "theft" going on by said industry?

its the people within it ala musicians it becomes local the more you think about it and you realise youre doing a disservice to your neighbour not some black shadowy figure known as the man

When you look at the data, the opposite is true. Small local artists benefit, and large music holding companies lose out, which is why you see the losses reported by them. You can't account for all the burgeoning labels, but their percentage of the market is increasing substantially. If small artists and labels all of a sudden became much less profitable, you wouldn't see the steady acceleration of releases and new labels, nor the increase in ticket prices and live audiences. The market is booming, just not for companies that expanded themselves too wide.

i talk to many many people with labels and they all say one thing...times are tougher than theyve ever been

at a distribution level they become more militant about who gets the fairest and more viable deals hence labels fold

lo dubs very nearly went under with loads of releases under their belt...the majors are owned by bigger companies that can take the loss more than your neighbour you are fucking over if you steal his music....will i become less profitable if everyone torrents my ep in a few weeks or is it a case of looking at this data you speak of?

you are just being au contraire

[wearecorsairs]

not gonna lie, i'm never going to release anything on a label and i don't really know anyone who owns one

[Be-1ne]

Tramps

[garethom]

Tramps

[wobbles]

im a cd kinda guy

[vishes]

will i become less profitable if everyone torrents my ep in a few weeks or is it a case of looking at this data you speak of?

Well imo, producers in an underground music scene shouldn't be making music solely for money, it's a fact that releases will get pirated. And so will yours. You know that you'll barely be making money off of it,
If I were you I'd just be happy if you got positive feedback from your listeners and take the money you've earned with your releases as an extra.

I agree though, this is harsh and it shouldn't be like this, I can completely understand that you wouldn't like it if people illegally downloaded your music that you've worked hard on. Of course it would be fantastic if everyone would just pay for it, but that's just not going to happen. And it's just a waste of your time and energy to be worrying, complaining and even thinking about that because nothing is going to change.
Not unless Obama signs the E-PARASITE law.

[AllNightDayDream]

UK sales have declined for 7 years straight.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/u ... nth-277502

That's album sales, not total sales.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-ni ... 2012-01-05

Total sales are up 6.9%. Digital sales surpassed physical for the first time, accounting for 50.3% of sales. Electronic music grew 15% physically, 42% digitally (yup). Vinyl grew 36%. The market's back.

[wearecorsairs]

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-ni ... 2012-01-05

people will believe whatever big media wants them too
i mean the guys link was "hollywood reporter"

[AllNightDayDream]

To be fair it was copy/pasting a guardian article

[AesopTwin]

For Me:

Absolutely, 100%. I've been downloading music since I was 14 and haven't stopped since. While my methods on how I do haven't changed (except switching from P2P to blogspots), my reasons why I do it have.


A lot of it has to do with the music industry in general. I haven't listened to commercial radio in over 8 years bar some talk radio, but every now and then I'll get into someones car and I'll hear some songs off of the latest "hits" station, that sound like rehashed pop melodies of a decade ago. If one were to stop and think, you really doesn't have to have any musical background whatsoever to become a mainstream success. We have song-writers to help an artist with lyrics and melodies, we have choreographers to help an artist with dance moves, and worst of all we have this thing called auto-tune to help an artist who can't even sing. So really, it all comes down to having good looks to become a pop-artist. (Case in point, Kim Kardashian).

This is why I music the music industry would collapse a million times over. Not because I want the little guys to fail, but because I want these megalomaniacal executives that control 90% of the industry to receive a nice bitch slap in the face for thinking that they know "what good music is."

As for the little guy, piracy has helped open the door for many artists around (some of whom I know personally.) One of my favorite bands in particular has made 2 studio quality albums in the living room of their own home with just some computer software and good microphones. They have since toured around the world, and continue to have a growing fanbase. I've asked them their thoughts on piracy of music and they said, "We really don't care since it's mostly inevitable and we really don't want to have a similar mentality like Lars Ulrich. We just hope that if you enjoy our music, that you would come out and see us perform."

The above quote is how I support the artists I love financially. I go to shows. I watch them play. I listen and watch them pour their heart and soul into a performance for a crowd. Usually I end up buying a T-shirt as well to show my support and help promote the artist in my day-to-day happenings.

Music to me is art, and I think that most people have a similar mindset like mine. The sole and primary reason you make music should be because you love to create art, and you enjoy the way it affects and moves people. There is nothing wrong with receiving money for your work, but in my opinion the moment that profitable gain becomes a reason for you to make music (or art in general) is the moment you have lost the love of making music and art.

I don't expect to have everyone agree with me, but this is just how I feel. If I ever start making tunes, I can pretty much guarantee that every tune I release to the public will be free of charge.

[DJDM]

every time i see a thread like this, it makes me wish a little bit more that SOPA would get passed here in the U.S.

[Murkyone]

Never have really downloaded any dubstep/dnb releases because I love the music and completely feel like its worth my money to support the artists so they keep putting out stuff I like. However it seems like just about everyone around me downloads the same music and even plays it out. I think its lame and I tell the ones who are my friends that they really ought to just buy it.

Edit: I sure as hell would have a lot more money in my bank account if I pirated music

[wolf89]

Anyone who actually knows anyone in the scene personally would realise pretty quickly that actually it's a nice thing to support people like that by buying there tunes. Not sure why people are deluding them selves that they're taking money from those who don't need it.

Also honestly if the labels and artists aren't making any money it's likely the music will stop. Not because they're only in it for the money but because actually it costs money to put shit out really.

[SCope13]

every time i see a thread like this, it makes me wish a little bit more that SOPA would get passed here in the U.S.

Shut the fuck up. Just shut the fuck up.

[_TraX_]

I have the Massive Attack Burial Remixes, I've never got the vinyl
I have Mala - Alicia, I never got the vinyl
Ethics?

Alicia's on wax?

Just bought my first 2 records last week, coming in the mail