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rayman612 wrote:

I never really was an r&b fan but there's I've always had a soft spot for kc and jojo.

TBF, Get Rich couldn't hold a candle to Illmatic, which JUST about holds a
candle to Paid in full. etc etc etc.

I personally think it all went to shit when ATCQ disbanded and Dilla passed away.
Hip Hop music seriously died for me around then.


Also, anyone hating on Jay-Z - WERD?!

Aim your hate at Nelly ffs. Jigga has bars on bars on bars of quality.
Can't knock the hustle, Cashmere thoughts, Dead presidents, Feelin it,
Hard knock life, D'Evils, Girl's best friend, Anything, This can't be life,
Heart of the city, Song cry, Girls girls girls (parts 1 & 2), Poppin tags,
Bitches and sisters, Encore, 99 problems, PSA, Roc boys, I know, Thank you,
Venus vs. Mars, Already home...
The message may be the same all through his career, but seriously, no one
does it better than Jigga.

cmgoodman1226 wrote: I never really was an r&b fan but there's I've always had a soft spot for kc and jojo.

Jodeci were the one.

Get Rich is garbage in comparison to Illmatic.

As for J Z, I just don't like his voice - it's that simple.

^ That's fair enough.

don't compare Get Rich with hip hop albums based on bars n verses
it's a bunch of strong beats & gangsta hooks / adlib shit that rounds out the tracks into good songs. no one is crazy about 50's bars, he just has a good voice and used the sing/rap style on hooks to much success
"What Up" , "Many Men" , "21 questions" no jaw dropping rhymes but fuck me if those aren't some great songs

That^^^

I remember 'Patiently waiting' stuck in my heda

jazzamataz wrote:TBF, Get Rich couldn't hold a candle to Illmatic, which JUST about holds a
candle to Paid in full. etc etc etc.

I personally think it all went to shit when ATCQ disbanded and Dilla passed away.
Hip Hop music seriously died for me around then.


Also, anyone hating on Jay-Z - WERD?!

Aim your hate at Nelly ffs. Jigga has bars on bars on bars of quality.
Can't knock the hustle, Cashmere thoughts, Dead presidents, Feelin it,
Hard knock life, D'Evils, Girl's best friend, Anything, This can't be life,
Heart of the city, Song cry, Girls girls girls (parts 1 & 2), Poppin tags,
Bitches and sisters, Encore, 99 problems, PSA, Roc boys, I know, Thank you,
Venus vs. Mars, Already home...
The message may be the same all through his career, but seriously, no one
does it better than Jigga.

You're trying too hard. Illmatic is a flawless album.
Don't see the hype over Jay-Z, even his first album just sounds average to me. Seemed to spend his whole career biting bigs lines. (even his producers were sampling shit from other hip hop records I believe the snare for dead presidents was sampled from Scenario or something..)
Jay-Z wasn't the best then and he isn't the best now.
Watch the Throne was shit. And Kanye needs to lay off the coke.
I did like that death of autotune track though.
And Hard Knock life was a banger but it was produced by The 45 King, even Lil Wayne would sound dope on that beat.
I've always thought this about Jay Z, his fans seemed to be the same crew that loved bone thugs etc, people love the image and the "hustle" (which has been replaced by swag) that's personal taste I guess but I stuck to my hardcore rap.
The blingd out rnb hook shit can get one imo.



hip hops for spraypainting on trains not polishing the rims on your bently
backpack FIRMLY IN PLACE

raw

I like btnh...

I never really saw bone thugs as putting out an image like that. To me they've always been the kinda shit to listen to at the end of a blunt ride. It's just carefree rap imo.

I just really like their flow. They got some dark songs but what gets me is their feel good songs.
First of tha month is my stoned summer barbecue jam

fair enuff

The weed song is the one. Also can't knock thug luv with 2pac.

Today wrote:don't compare Get Rich with hip hop albums based on bars n verses
it's a bunch of strong beats & gangsta hooks / adlib shit that rounds out the tracks into good songs. no one is crazy about 50's bars, he just has a good voice and used the sing/rap style on hooks to much success
"What Up" , "Many Men" , "21 questions" no jaw dropping rhymes but fuck me if those aren't some great songs

Get Rich will always be 'The' album for me,
but that's just because i grew up with it...before rap and hip-hop i listened to shaggy and justin timberlake
50 cent was the first rapper I listened too, and as such Get Rich will be my personal favourite. I was what, 10 when that album dropped,
that shit to me is 'old school' haha. The Massacre and Curtis albums weren't as good, but i still rinsed them because 50 was my favourite.
They were just a bit more mainstream, rapping about 'money and hos' because he blew up, he wouldnt have made his millions if he didnt
go down that route. But he still went in hard...the same could be said for Eminem.

But it's when people like drake, and lil wayne, come up and are THE biggest thing on the scene for no apparant reason,
they chat shit, with no real flow, rhymes or emotion behind it, how does that get so good?

I've listened to Wu and a lot of the rappers before 50's time, and i appreciate how raw and full of technique those songs were,
but the thing that caught me with 50 was the pain in his tracks. You could hear it, and feel it, whether the bars were insane or not.
Having said that though, listening through his first album, there are some lines that hit so hard!

"Sunshine wouldn't be special, if it wasn't for rain. Joy wouldn't feel so good, if it wasn't for pain."
that one still gets me to this day, timeless.

Killamike49 wrote:The weed song is the one. Also can't knock thug luv with 2pac.

Mortal wrote:

Today wrote:don't compare Get Rich with hip hop albums based on bars n verses
it's a bunch of strong beats & gangsta hooks / adlib shit that rounds out the tracks into good songs. no one is crazy about 50's bars, he just has a good voice and used the sing/rap style on hooks to much success
"What Up" , "Many Men" , "21 questions" no jaw dropping rhymes but fuck me if those aren't some great songs

Get Rich will always be 'The' album for me,
but that's just because i grew up with it...before rap and hip-hop i listened to shaggy and justin timberlake
50 cent was the first rapper I listened too, and as such Get Rich will be my personal favourite. I was what, 10 when that album dropped,
that shit to me is 'old school' haha. The Massacre and Curtis albums weren't as good, but i still rinsed them because 50 was my favourite.
They were just a bit more mainstream, rapping about 'money and hos' because he blew up, he wouldnt have made his millions if he didnt
go down that route. But he still went in hard...the same could be said for Eminem.

But it's when people like drake, and lil wayne, come up and are THE biggest thing on the scene for no apparant reason,
they chat shit, with no real flow, rhymes or emotion behind it, how does that get so good?

I've listened to Wu and a lot of the rappers before 50's time, and i appreciate how raw and full of technique those songs were,
but the thing that caught me with 50 was the pain in his tracks. You could hear it, and feel it, whether the bars were insane or not.
Having said that though, listening through his first album, there are some lines that hit so hard!

"Sunshine wouldn't be special, if it wasn't for rain. Joy wouldn't feel so good, if it wasn't for pain."
that one still gets me to this day, timeless.

I totally agree with the 50 cent thing, he was the SHIT to us young teens. His subsequent albums ALL sucked though, only good album (to me) by Eminem was the Eminem Show. It's on my ipod purely for nostalgia

As for Drake, he's legit. He may be a soppy tnuc, lacks this that or whatever but I don't see that. His music is just good, for whatever reason. I don't even really pay attention to rap anymore aside from Danny Brown, SGP and some ASAP stuff. Drake gets a lot of flack but he is above average, in my eyes. Piss argument, I know, but I don't know what it is that I like really.

I just try not to consider DRAKE and the like, as "Music". It's more of a fabricated halliucination brought on by the death of Michael Jackson.
real singers never had to auto tune.

To be clear, i love btnh, i love wu, i love 50, Drake and lil Wayne come up with some funny shit sometimes, but drake has more talent. The motto is a fucking dope song, as is drake's verse in round of applause. It's not about having the deepest rhymes sometimes. Their music is mostly to party to, and it reflects that. That being said, comparing them to someone like Rae, or Immortal technique, or tyler the creator, or vanilla ice, or will smith is never going to lead anywhere. Apples and oranges. I would never knock someone down as an artist because i don't enjoy what they create. If you think the songwriting is lazy, you're probably right (as far as lyrics anyway), but it's not a lack of talent. "It takes different strokes to move the world."

This just in: Hip Hop is a MASSIVE genre... nothing is canonical, no matter how accepted it is. One of the overriding principles of any culture that bases itself around sampling and shouting opinions over the top is bound to be a mixture of styles, tastes and attitudes. If you don't like something... don't listen to it!

Hip Hop is everything. Everything is Hip Hop. Do you.