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VirtualMark wrote:

ninjadog wrote: Vinyl has a better bass response, I suppose bass is not really that good for your body but it's good for the soul. Personally I find it more rewarding and better sounding making sounds on my hardware than a DAW.
These claims are 100% true!

Wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_equalization

More specifically:

RIAA equalization is a form of pre-emphasis on recording and de-emphasis on playback. A recording is made with the low frequencies reduced and the high frequencies boosted, and on playback the opposite occurs. The net result is a flat frequency response, but with attenuation of high frequency noise such as hiss and clicks that arise from the recording medium. Reducing the low frequencies also limits the excursions the cutter needs to make when cutting a groove. Groove width is thus reduced, allowing more grooves to fit into a given surface area, permitting longer recording times. This also reduces physical stresses on the stylus which might otherwise cause distortion or groove damage during playback.

A potential drawback of the system is that rumble from the playback turntable's drive mechanism is amplified by the low frequency boost that occurs on playback. Players must therefore be designed to limit rumble, more so than if RIAA equalization did not occur.

Whats that supposed to prove?

ninjadog wrote: Whats that supposed to prove?

It proves that you're too lazy/ignorant to read the facts, even when they're presented to you on a plate.

Vinyl has an artificially boosted bass response, via a pre amp. This is due to the limitations of vinyl - if the bass were recorded at full volume the needle would simply skip from track to track. The bass response thus heavily depends on the quality of the pre amp.

Jesus, do some reading for yourself. Here's another link on a plate: http://www.fast-and-wide.com/wideangle/ ... onclusions

I did try to read it but may as well been reading the bible, it was all just mumbo jumbo. I don't need scientific facts, to my ears analog equipment just sounds better. If your trying to prove digital is better why are records still around? Why are digital effects trying to emulate analog warmth?

Both have their dis- and advantages, analogue's are more obvious but I still like working with it.

Everything is still mixed on analogue desks, I'm not a fan of mixing in the box myself.

ninjadog wrote:I did try to read it but may as well been reading the bible, it was all just mumbo jumbo. I don't need scientific facts, to my ears analog equipment just sounds better. If your trying to prove digital is better why are records still around? Why are digital effects trying to emulate analog warmth?

Mumbo jumbo? Clearly you're a bit slow then, or you're trolling, either way no worries. I don't care about analog vs digital, i was just providing evidence against your claim:

ninjadog wrote:Vinyl has a better bass response

ninjadog wrote:These claims are 100% true!

The facts show that this is incorrect, whether you understand them or not.

from my point of view and lack of knowing, when I watch other DJs mix all I see is:

beat matching
twisting of knobs(messing around with different cut offs? I guess)
adjusting volume levels

I know there has to be more than this, unless it is that simple lol. Can someone enlighten me?

inb4 shitstorm, alpacas et coetera.

You missed song selection, but thats about it.

Steve Aoki crowd surfs on a raft, smashes watermelons and tells bad jokes. Or was that Gallagher? I forget. Same difference

And for the record, there's a thread just below this one with basically the same title and 7 pages of bitter argument that you should check out. No need to rehash.

Attila wrote:And for the record, there's a thread just below this one with basically the same title and 7 pages of bitter argument that you should check out. No need to rehash.

Oh, damn..lol Did not see that. I did search the topic but nothing came up. Thanks man.

VirtualMark wrote:

ninjadog wrote:I did try to read it but may as well been reading the bible, it was all just mumbo jumbo. I don't need scientific facts, to my ears analog equipment just sounds better. If your trying to prove digital is better why are records still around? Why are digital effects trying to emulate analog warmth?

Mumbo jumbo? Clearly you're a bit slow then, or you're trolling, either way no worries. I don't care about analog vs digital, i was just providing evidence against your claim:

ninjadog wrote:Vinyl has a better bass response

ninjadog wrote:These claims are 100% true!

The facts show that this is incorrect, whether you understand them or not.

Bit slow? depends on who you ask. Chill the fuck out, your the one resorting to personal attacks because you can't deal with my opinion or humor.

wormcode wrote:faking/acting.

I didn't realize how much this was going on until I played a house party with a guy who plays trance at a bunch of the clubs up here.

We were all using a Korg Zero8 which has way more channels than needed. Everytime there was a white noise build or a filter sweep he'd cross his arms, reach over to channels 7+8 (which had no sound through them obviously) and would twist the EQ knobs as if he was changing something and twist his face into a "my Lord I'm orgasming right here" sort of look. Class act by far, but it did get the crowd going so that was good I suppose...

As far as vinyl vs digital, do whatever you feel more comfortable with and whatever you find more enjoyable. For myself I felt like a twat whenever I was just going MIDI so I went for a vinyl setup instead. Plus I find vinyl to be a much more enjoyable way to DJ. In the end I doubt many of the people in the crowd will tell the difference between the two, so it's really what you're more comfortable with.

"I play music, not a medium..."

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=249825
very relevant

WE'RE ALL WINNERS!

This thread is gold. Why do people with the OPINION of vinyl being better instantly get labelled haters of computers/cdjs?

The fact people support the use of the sync button and have a computer do 99% of the work for you is laughable. Maybe you like to pay your hard earned money doing something a 4 year old could do with ease.. but I prefer to spend mine seeing DJs with actual skill.. a skill I aspire to have one day. DJing is about music, hence using your ears. Technology, however advanced, does not change that.

Muncey wrote:This thread is gold. Why do people with the OPINION of vinyl being better instantly get labelled haters of computers/cdjs?

Could be because of me.. I usually come over quite rational, but then I throw the occasional 'everything new is wak' in there.