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Re: Coki gives up vinyl, switches to CDJs

Post by baddis98 » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:26 pm

PsycoCarrot wrote:That may be true, but what is mixing really? Beatmatching two tracks together, knowing when to nudge a track, how to fix a trainwrecked mix, making your blend sound pleasing to the ear, knowing when to drop or add in frequencies, when to use effects, learning and knowing the structure of the music you're playing. All of these things can be accomplished no matter what medium you're using to mix. The method of learning is different for each medium, but in my opinion, mixing is something that transcends the physical hardware.
theoretically all you said is correct. practically i whitnessed the opposite. most djs i know, didn't manage to learn it that well until they started using something else than laptops.
Cheeky wrote:two tiny usbs, that usually hold at least a few gigs of music or far more than a wallet of cds, that you can just plug in and use..
another thing that comes to mind is how you organize your files on a 16 gb usb stick in order to be able to load it within seconds. regarding the cdjs i've played on, i'm pretty sure i'd be faster using cds or records.
PinUp wrote: Most reggae DJ's don't really beatmatch just pull up one track press start on the next!
i don't know what dances you attend, but that's definately not true. of course it's a different approach on mixing, as it sounds crap when you layer 2 vocal tunes. so you basically just drop the next tune from the start of its chorus or verse at the end of the previous tune's chorus or verse (verse A - chorus A > verse B - chorus B > etc), but that's still mixing. and it's WAY harder than mixing dubstep or dnb.

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Post by DREdio » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:16 pm

garethom wrote:
Sonika wrote:
OfficialDAPT wrote:People could just play their tunes back to back and not DJ at all..............................................

and that

would suck
Not necessarily true. Mark Ernestus from Basic Channel/Rhythm & Sound pretty much did this at DMZ/Exodus, all dub tunes back to back, sick MC, and I thought it was quality to be fair, probably my favourite set of the night.

Don't judge what's good or not when you haven't even been to a night dude.
anyone whose seen David Rodigan knows that you dont really need to mix to destroy the floor

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Re: Coki gives up vinyl, switches to CDJs

Post by fractal » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:32 pm

Sonika wrote:
fractal wrote:he's right though

hopefully laptops and controllers will replace cd's as they are improvements on the digital format

where vinyl is its own format and there will always be people pushing their use

yeah but dude

it's laptop DJing


it looks DUMB



:i:
i'm more into how it sounds. shackleton couldn't do the sets he does with little cdjs, and he's one of the best shows around these days imo
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Re: Coki gives up vinyl, switches to CDJs

Post by fractal » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:33 pm

baddis98 wrote:
PsycoCarrot wrote:That may be true, but what is mixing really? Beatmatching two tracks together, knowing when to nudge a track, how to fix a trainwrecked mix, making your blend sound pleasing to the ear, knowing when to drop or add in frequencies, when to use effects, learning and knowing the structure of the music you're playing. All of these things can be accomplished no matter what medium you're using to mix. The method of learning is different for each medium, but in my opinion, mixing is something that transcends the physical hardware.
theoretically all you said is correct. practically i whitnessed the opposite. most djs i know, didn't manage to learn it that well until they started using something else than laptops.
Cheeky wrote:two tiny usbs, that usually hold at least a few gigs of music or far more than a wallet of cds, that you can just plug in and use..
another thing that comes to mind is how you organize your files on a 16 gb usb stick in order to be able to load it within seconds. regarding the cdjs i've played on, i'm pretty sure i'd be faster using cds or records.
PinUp wrote: Most reggae DJ's don't really beatmatch just pull up one track press start on the next!
i don't know what dances you attend, but that's definately not true. of course it's a different approach on mixing, as it sounds crap when you layer 2 vocal tunes. so you basically just drop the next tune from the start of its chorus or verse at the end of the previous tune's chorus or verse (verse A - chorus A > verse B - chorus B > etc), but that's still mixing. and it's WAY harder than mixing dubstep or dnb.
same goes for mixing hip hop/funk/soul/etc
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Post by Sonika » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:19 pm

fractal wrote:
Sonika wrote:
fractal wrote:he's right though

hopefully laptops and controllers will replace cd's as they are improvements on the digital format

where vinyl is its own format and there will always be people pushing their use

yeah but dude

it's laptop DJing


it looks DUMB



:i:
i'm more into how it sounds. shackleton couldn't do the sets he does with little cdjs, and he's one of the best shows around these days imo


yeah I saw a clip of one of his shows, it looks like it was just laptop...how does it go?
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Re: Coki gives up vinyl, switches to CDJs

Post by fractal » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:22 pm

he loops various beats and samples so no two shows are the same. at one time I heard elements from at least 4 different shackleton tunes together and it sounded so perfect! one of the only times I've seen the whole floor go off in seattle (lot of head nodders out here)

for the dj worshipers out there I am sure it is boring to watch a guy on a laptop, but for those who are just there for the music and the dance, all that matters is the sound
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Re: Coki gives up vinyl, switches to CDJs

Post by Muncey » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:48 pm

Nevalo wrote:
Shum wrote:
Nevalo wrote:
dsprainman wrote:
Cheeky wrote:im pretty surprised the usb stick option hasnt been mentioned more. two tiny usbs, that usually hold at least a few gigs of music or far more than a wallet of cds, that you can just plug in and use. their also relatively cheap for how much storage you get compared to cds, and it saves lugging a shiny laptop into a dirty club and risking it being stolen/damaged/pissed on. im hoping that eventually the companies that make cdjs will start making decks mainly for usb sticks personally. vinyls a different beast though, i highly doubt it will ever completely die, it sounds awesome, and theres just something about owning vinyl that you dont get with downloading an mp3 for some reason.
Vinyl fucking rules. Think how it would go down if you tried to limited releases on digital...
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no... did they really? :lol:
ltd digi for one thing dub 8)
Buy one and leak it. Therefore, unlimited. Vinyl you can't really do that.

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Post by ultraspatial » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:51 pm

fractal wrote:for the dj worshipers out there I am sure it is boring to watch a guy on a laptop, but for those who are just there for the music and the dance, all that matters is the sound
Never got the people who just stare at the dj and what he's doing for hours... I mean, seriously, that's what you came for? :lol:

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Post by ultraspatial » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:54 pm

Muncey wrote:Buy one and leak it. Therefore, unlimited. Vinyl you can't really do that.
Buy limited vinyl > rip > leak...
Sure, it won't sound as good, and you can't play it out (at least not if you got half a brain), but for home listening or whatever I guess it's ok.

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Post by SKIN E » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:08 pm

Sonika wrote:

wow dude where did you find the pair of mk2s for $250? I just moved to amsterdam and they dont have craigslist over here unfortunately

I think they have something like it though
http://www.marktplaats.nl

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Post by leyenda » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:19 pm

ultraspatial wrote:
Muncey wrote:Buy one and leak it. Therefore, unlimited. Vinyl you can't really do that.
Buy limited vinyl > rip > leak...
Sure, it won't sound as good, and you can't play it out (at least not if you got half a brain), but for home listening or whatever I guess it's ok.
What would be wrong with playing a ltd vinyl you've purchased and ripped in a set if you play Serato and don't wanna take extra vinyl with you?
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Post by ultraspatial » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:45 pm

leyenda303 wrote:
ultraspatial wrote:
Muncey wrote:Buy one and leak it. Therefore, unlimited. Vinyl you can't really do that.
Buy limited vinyl > rip > leak...
Sure, it won't sound as good, and you can't play it out (at least not if you got half a brain), but for home listening or whatever I guess it's ok.
What would be wrong with playing a ltd vinyl you've purchased and ripped in a set if you play Serato and don't wanna take extra vinyl with you?
Don't see a problem with that. I meant the dodgey vbr rips you find online.

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Post by leyenda » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:55 pm

ultraspatial wrote:
leyenda303 wrote:
ultraspatial wrote:
Muncey wrote:Buy one and leak it. Therefore, unlimited. Vinyl you can't really do that.
Buy limited vinyl > rip > leak...
Sure, it won't sound as good, and you can't play it out (at least not if you got half a brain), but for home listening or whatever I guess it's ok.
What would be wrong with playing a ltd vinyl you've purchased and ripped in a set if you play Serato and don't wanna take extra vinyl with you?
Don't see a problem with that. I meant the dodgey vbr rips you find online.
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Post by Sonika » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:59 pm

fractal wrote:he loops various beats and samples so no two shows are the same. at one time I heard elements from at least 4 different shackleton tunes together and it sounded so perfect! one of the only times I've seen the whole floor go off in seattle (lot of head nodders out here)

for the dj worshipers out there I am sure it is boring to watch a guy on a laptop, but for those who are just there for the music and the dance, all that matters is the sound

is it danceable? I love shackleton and I find a lot of tunes of his really dance-y, but if he's playing stuff like blood on my hands, then idk...great tune, not really a dancefloor-smasher though

imo
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Post by Sonika » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:00 pm

SKIN E wrote:
Sonika wrote:

wow dude where did you find the pair of mk2s for $250? I just moved to amsterdam and they dont have craigslist over here unfortunately

I think they have something like it though
http://www.marktplaats.nl

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Post by ni_en_bhed » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:26 pm

I just read this 7 pages of discussion in this thread and all I gotta say YOU HEAR THE DIFFERENCE. and I'm not an old expierienced head or anything. I had my fisrt time hearing a soundsystem last week and there were cd-only and vinyl-only sets. and even though I dont have no idea about the technical aspects or anything, I can really say you hear the difference. and I swear this isnt placebo - I didnt have no prejudices against digi, beacause I'm spinning CD and vinyl both at home all day long and didnt recognize the difference. but on a system - JEEEZ ! it sounds so much better! therefore vinyl will never die . no doubt about that

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Re: Coki gives up vinyl, switches to CDJs

Post by fractal » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:53 pm

Sonika wrote:
fractal wrote:he loops various beats and samples so no two shows are the same. at one time I heard elements from at least 4 different shackleton tunes together and it sounded so perfect! one of the only times I've seen the whole floor go off in seattle (lot of head nodders out here)

for the dj worshipers out there I am sure it is boring to watch a guy on a laptop, but for those who are just there for the music and the dance, all that matters is the sound

is it danceable? I love shackleton and I find a lot of tunes of his really dance-y, but if he's playing stuff like blood on my hands, then idk...great tune, not really a dancefloor-smasher though

imo
Extremely danceable as he's been on that techno kick for a bit now. As I said, was shocked at the amount of movement on the floor. He was beaming too, feeling the energy...

And I'll go off to BOMH, clear the floor and let a man move :mrgreen:
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Post by leyenda » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:09 pm

fractal wrote:
Sonika wrote:
fractal wrote:he loops various beats and samples so no two shows are the same. at one time I heard elements from at least 4 different shackleton tunes together and it sounded so perfect! one of the only times I've seen the whole floor go off in seattle (lot of head nodders out here)

for the dj worshipers out there I am sure it is boring to watch a guy on a laptop, but for those who are just there for the music and the dance, all that matters is the sound

is it danceable? I love shackleton and I find a lot of tunes of his really dance-y, but if he's playing stuff like blood on my hands, then idk...great tune, not really a dancefloor-smasher though

imo
The original is perfectly danceable. You may want to get on the K like Ricardo for the remix though.

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Post by Shum » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:13 pm

leyenda303 wrote:The original is perfectly danceable. You may want to get on the K like Ricardo for the remix though.
:cornlol:

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Re: Coki gives up vinyl, switches to CDJs

Post by dubfordessert » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:32 am

blood on my hands would go off if played at the right time. what r u on about.
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