The Game - Holy Water

[vishes]

You guys really need to stop wasting your time on this thread. Jesus.

[dickman69]

i think the majority of west coast rappers are garbage so idk anything about it

[Genevieve]

You guys really need to stop wasting your time on this thread. Jesus.

You aren't?

[dickman69]

this is a discussion about music in a forum about music

[hugh]

yeah shut up KARL PILKINGTON

[collige]

he barely messed around with feeling u feeling me at all. all the original instrumentation and vocal is there, IN ITS ENTIRETY, he just added a few things, repeated bits and altered the way it sounded a little bit. the game lifted ONE short vocal sample from a track and put it on a new track. big deal.

if anything alicia's more a bootleg than anything else.. its a dubstep remix of an alicia keys song which the person knows before buying on white label, kind of thing which has been done for ages. Whether this sort of thing is cool is different but i'd argue he did it more for the art and his own enjoyment than to make money out of it but w/e
the sample which the changes bit is nicked off is a vocal taken and manipulated to create a whole new feeling from the original and then replayed in the exact same way with no credit- for monetary gain

So selling a track on vinyl isn't for monetary gain, but putting out a free download is?

[hugh]

I can almost guarantee that Mala won't be bothered by this

[therapist]

Just out of interest, do you know for a fact that when you sample something (assuming you have, you've got a SC link there) it's not a track that has sampled someone else?

It's just seems a completely arbitrary thing to get annoyed about.

because the game track has the exact same vocal modifications as in the mala track?

Did you mean to quote my question? Because that's not an answer.

[Sonika]

Oh shit, inb4 Sonika puts a hit out on the game.

nah ehbrums already posted this on my wall, even tho it's shit I think it's kind of cool he (or the guy who made his beat) knew about the tune and decided to use it

[kidshuffle]

I can almost guarantee that Mala won't be bothered by this

exactly, only two options can come out of this:

mala gets royalities

or

mala gets more fame


its a win win situation, and what all you deep heads have been praying for since snoop dogg millionaire...

[kingldub]

i think the majority of west coast rappers are garbage

Whoa now......Pharcyde, Souls of Mischief, People Under The Stairs, Freestyle Fellowship, Busdriver, Zion I, MURS, Abstract Rude, and Blackalicious, to name just a handful are all great.

[hutyluty]

he barely messed around with feeling u feeling me at all. all the original instrumentation and vocal is there, IN ITS ENTIRETY, he just added a few things, repeated bits and altered the way it sounded a little bit. the game lifted ONE short vocal sample from a track and put it on a new track. big deal.

if anything alicia's more a bootleg than anything else.. its a dubstep remix of an alicia keys song which the person knows before buying on white label, kind of thing which has been done for ages. Whether this sort of thing is cool is different but i'd argue he did it more for the art and his own enjoyment than to make money out of it but w/e
the sample which the changes bit is nicked off is a vocal taken and manipulated to create a whole new feeling from the original and then replayed in the exact same way with no credit- for monetary gain

what does that have to do with anything?

and look at EVERY HIP HOP SONG PRE-1994. EVERY SAMPLE IS HARDLY MANIPULATED AND WE STILL SEE IT AS DOPE.

You are all just hating because someone touched the untouchable Mala

i'm saying mala was open about it- he made it pretty obvious like.

I don't even like the song tbh, i'm not arguing because mala's untouchable or that its inherently evil, just that I personally wouldn't find it cool to go and sample something someone's already sampled straight up or at least not in the exact same way, its just cunty.

[dickman69]

i think the majority of west coast rappers are garbage

Whoa now......Pharcyde, Souls of Mischief, People Under The Stairs, Freestyle Fellowship, Busdriver, Zion I, MURS, Abstract Rude, and Blackalicious, to name just a handful are all great.

ok yeah i do like those guys... but thats underground, i was thinking tupac/snoop/dre west coast

[kidshuffle]

just that I personally wouldn't find it cool to go and sample something someone's already sampled straight up or at least not in the exact same way, its just cunty.

again though, how many times has that been sampled and no one cares (according to whosampedit its been at least 123 times)? a dope sample is a dope sample, it doesn't have to be original.
same with good times by chic, that is the least original form of sampling ever but it all gets us grooving. and thats the point

[dubfordessert]

he barely messed around with feeling u feeling me at all. all the original instrumentation and vocal is there, IN ITS ENTIRETY, he just added a few things, repeated bits and altered the way it sounded a little bit. the game lifted ONE short vocal sample from a track and put it on a new track. big deal.

if anything alicia's more a bootleg than anything else.. its a dubstep remix of an alicia keys song which the person knows before buying on white label, kind of thing which has been done for ages. Whether this sort of thing is cool is different but i'd argue he did it more for the art and his own enjoyment than to make money out of it but w/e
the sample which the changes bit is nicked off is a vocal taken and manipulated to create a whole new feeling from the original and then replayed in the exact same way with no credit- for monetary gain

So selling a track on vinyl isn't for monetary gain, but putting out a free download is?

lol i didn't even realise it was a free download

http://soundcloud.com/jesuspiece/holy-water do you reckon if we download it enough times we will literally bankrupt mala???

[hugh]

who gives a fuck whether its mainstream or not it's still hip hop

[dickman69]

this isnt about reusing samples

its about reusing samples of samples after theyve been modified into something different

ppl in this thread need to quit putting words into each other's mouths & just read what they wrote

[idontreallygiveashit]

^ lol Phigure on that link

"Phigure about 5 hours ago
this is a bit of an insult to the original track"

cmon duuuude

also it says "produced by @TheRealSAP." go gut this fool

[constrobuz]

1. the game's track is way better than mala's

2. i'm with rayman and hutyluty

[dubfordessert]

this isnt about reusing samples

its about reusing samples of samples after theyve been modified into something different

ppl in this thread need to quit putting words into each other's mouths & just read what they wrote

you've not demonstrated why sampling an element of a track which is a modification of an original work is any different to sampling an element which is itself original. if anything the latter is less justifiable than the former, not the other way around.