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Thing is right, the very fact that we're all getting tangled up in this debate sums up why there's a lack of innovation in my opinion. The reason why dubstep was so revolutionary when it was getting rolling is because it was all about music and not talking. I'm not having a go because I could talk about shit like this for fucking days hahaha but I'm just saying that people are thinking and talking too much about making music rather than actually just making what they feel like making.

pete bubonic wrote:

blackdown wrote:Guys, especially Pete, "130" isn't a genre name - it's a placeholder to allow ideas to ferment & grow. ferment & grow free from existing stagnant paradigms.

Innovation is a haughty claim, it won't happen over night or in a thunderbolt. Iteration is far more achievable, as is trial & error: and that's where we find ourselves now.

I dunno man, it just don't feel that way to me. Wen is making Grime, """"""post grime""""" perhaps but Grime all the same.

Really? Wen's tunes always sounded more like Dubstep than Grime to me..

He did used to write tunes like this pre-keysound ya know

That wen and riko track doesn't sound like grime at all, I swear people pigeonhole him to grime just because of commotion

140 > 130 still, that's just maths, you can't argue with maths

Soundcloud
most innovative tune ive heard in a while

djredi2step wrote:Soundcloud
most innovative tune ive heard in a while

sounds kinda like james blake's first couple of eps but less west

not bad tho

k-lone and facta man

djredi2step wrote:k-lone and facta man

that new facta and hodge tune

epochalypso wrote:

pete bubonic wrote:

blackdown wrote:Guys, especially Pete, "130" isn't a genre name - it's a placeholder to allow ideas to ferment & grow. ferment & grow free from existing stagnant paradigms.

Innovation is a haughty claim, it won't happen over night or in a thunderbolt. Iteration is far more achievable, as is trial & error: and that's where we find ourselves now.

I dunno man, it just don't feel that way to me. Wen is making Grime, """"""post grime""""" perhaps but Grime all the same.

Really? Wen's tunes always sounded more like Dubstep than Grime to me..

He did used to write tunes like this pre-keysound ya know

I've only heard the touted tunes on keysound. And yup that tune sounds like a straight dubstep tune.

taiken are you saying those tunes you just posted are innovative?
They aren't

djredi2step wrote:taiken are you saying those tunes you just posted are innovative?
They aren't

No, I totally agree with you!
I don't even see a point of buying both of those releases, they practically just the same...

Just a good example for lack of innovation

I think a lot of people seem to forget genuine innovation is something that takes years to achieve

going to chime in here because responsibility is one of my favorite tunes of last year. i love it for two reasons, one being the fact that it is hands down the simplest drum beat (initially on the drop) i've ever heard but the delivery of the beat as a whole is SO GOOD that it really becomes irrelevant. it is one of the biggest skankers i have ever heard, i have a hard time not skanking out walking down the street with headphones on listening to it. if i tried to make a drum beat like that no matter what i did to it, it would not sound that fat. it doesn't have a lot of ambience, there isn't that much syncopation going on it just...slaps. there's a reason it was an a-side tempa single, and i don't think it was just because of who made it. it sounds the same because they are both lx-one..a producer who i think has a totally unique take on the minimal sound. it's clear that youngsta did not have that much influence on responsibility, just like destruction another producer (in that case icicle) clearly did a lot of the sound design and advanced mixing parts.

i wouldn't say the sound has gotten stale really, it just seems like everyone moved away from the generic dub-tinged basic wobble stuff to more clinical, super clean mixed technoid minimal stuff i.e. "dungeon" and the "vibes" stuff like smoking sessions/deep heads/chord marauders. but now we're starting to see a resurgence in the dubby roots stuff because there's a distinct lack of it now. and now the dubby roots stuff is even more innovative than it was before (in my opinion, like karma's release or kaiju's lion charge release) because it's incorporating "dungeon" sounds. i can see why people hate that term.

what i'm really stoked for is the outer space vibe that's coming around. tracks like distance's andromeda where the pads are the root of the track instead of a tight snappy reese wobble, or a result of sound which had a very unconventional drum pattern and again, amazing pads that really made the tune. another example is dark tantrums' last release as well as outer limit VIP from kromestar.

lx one is sick tho

imo the whole minimal thing peaked with this



and this



honourable mention to this



and other than those 2 j:kenzo bits (you know the ones) the rest of it doesn't do much for me.
love those tunes tho

/imoimoimos

don't get me wrong guys, I really like a lot of Lx One's stuff, I got many of those as vinyl at home.
Like Hunted / Oh My Gosh, Down / Judgement, Responsibility / No Cure and a few others.

The example just shows to me how repetitive people can get.
I mean those two tune are practicaly the same, I just don't see the point of releasing both as self-contained releases. (and thats apart from a certain style a producer might have)

How many people are actually genuinely innovative, I can think of maybe 5? 6 possibly in Dubstep as a whole?

Plenty of people making all out grade a tunes.

pete bubonic wrote:How many people are actually genuinely innovative, I can think of maybe 5? 6 possibly in Dubstep as a whole?

Plenty of people making all out grade a tunes.

Yeah I agree.
Also I really don't think it matters too much to be honest. So long as you like the music it doesn't have to constantly ground-breaking. New does not always = better.

^ before trying to judge wether A or B is better, maybe one should define what makes good art good in the first place?
tricky.

Both of the Nomine releases on Tempa were really fucking good IMO

Those tunes were hella slept on