Atheism

[ezza]

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... adictions/

[lovelydivot]

OH I GET IT!!!…The cats don't give a shit about plants…
They WANT the garden to be ratty….

I understand now - freakin' greedy mean ass cats.

[nousd]

omng!

[_ronzlo_]

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyat ... adictions/

Thrulinkage to the site that link is referencing - holy shit. I mean, I've seen a lot of such charts & lists but this is just over the top.

Ezekiel: Cruelty and Violence


God's killing rules:
If Ezekiel doesn't warn the wicked that God's going to kill them for being wicked, God will kill the wicked people and Ezekiel, too.
If Ezekiel warns the wicked, then God will kill the wicked people (if they don't change their wicked ways), but not Ezekiel.
If a good person does something wrong after God "lays a stumbling block before him," then God will kill him. "He shall die in his sin" and whatever good he has done will be forgotten. And Ezekiel will be killed, too, if he didn't warn the good guy beforehand. 3:18-20

God will force fathers to eat their sons and the to eat their fathers. 5:10

God will slaughter everyone by killing one third with plagues, one third with famines, and one third with wars. If any somehow survive, he'll send "evil beasts" to devour them. Finally, after he's done killing, he "will be comforted." 5:11-17

God will decorate the land with the bones and dead bodies of those who worship a different god. 6:4-5

God makes his presence known by killing people with famine, disease, and war. 6:7-14

God tells Ezekiel to clap his hands and stamp his feet while saying, "they shall fall by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence." 6:11

God will pour out his fury on everyone, with pity toward none. By so doing he says that "ye shall know that I am the Lord that smiteth." 7:3-11

God's is mad at everyone and no one will escape his wrath. He'll kill them all with war, disease, and starvation. "Horror shall cover them" and "they shall know that I am the Lord." 7:14-27

God promises again to slaughter everyone. He says that he will ignore them when they plead with him for mercy. 8:18

God screams in Ezekiel's ears, telling him to round up the six angels ("men") that are going to do God's dirty work. 9:1-2

God sends a "man clothed with linen" to mark the foreheads of the men who will be saved. Apparently only men are considered good enough to keep, the others (unmarked men, "maids", little children, and women) are to be slaughtered. God says he'll "fill the courts with the slain" and will have pity on no one. 9:4-11

"Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity." 9:5

"Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women." 9:6

"Fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city." 9:7

"Mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity." 9:10

Ezekiel tells the 25 men that God is going to kill them. That way they'll know that God is the Lord. 11:8-12

"And it came to pass, when I prophesied, that Pelatiah ... died." 11:13

God will kill nearly everyone in one way or another (sword, famine, pestilence), but he'll leave a few men standing to "declare their abominations among the heathen." 12:15-16, 20

God has Ezekiel do another clever demonstration: eat and drink carefully while shaking. That way, when the people see him doing that, they will know that God is going to starve them to death, which will teach them that God is the Lord. 12:18-20

God again vows to destroy those that dare worship something or someone other than him. 14:6-8

God deceives some of his prophets and then kills them for believing his lies. 14:9

When really bad things happen (like you or your children get eaten by wild beasts, get killed in war, get sick and die, etc.), then you'll know that it was God that did it to you. And he won't spare children just because there are a few righteous people around. 14:13-21

God will burn the inhabitants of Jerusalem to show everyone that he is the Lord. 15:6-7

For being such a whore, God punished Jerusalem by starving the Israelites and handing them over to the Philistines. 16:17

After exposing her nakedness, God will give her "blood in fury and jealousy" and strip her naked once more. Then he'll have her stoned "with stones and thrust through with swords." 16:38-41

"The soul that sinneth, it shall die." 18:4

A son who misbehaves by robbing, killing, eating on mountains, defiling his neighbor's wife, oppressing the poor, looking at idols, loaning money with interest, or committing abomination (Lev 18:22 type or otherwise) then that son must be killed. 18:10-13

God will kill you for making a single mistake; all your good deeds he will ignore. 18:24-26

God will set a fire in the southern kingdom that will devour everything and burn everyone. "And all flesh shall see that I the LORD have kindled it." 20:47-48

God gave the Israelites "statutes that were not good and judgments whereby they should not live." He "polluted" them so that he "might make them desolate" and force them to kill and sacrifice their children "that they might know" that he is the Lord. 20:25-26

God will kill everyone -- good and bad, just and unjust. 21:3-5

God is sharpening a sword for the slaughter of his people. 21:8-32

"Thou shalt be for fuel to the fire; thy blood shall be in the midst of the land ... for I the LORD have spoken it." 21:32

God will gather all of Israel and consume them in the fires of his anger. 22:20-22

God couldn't find anyone to stand up to him, so he's going to destroy everyone. 22:30-31

Two sisters were guilty of "committing whoredoms" by pressing their breasts and bruising "the teats of their virginity." As a punishment, one sister's nakedness was discovered, her children were taken from her, and she was killed by the sword. And the fate of the surviving sister was even worse: Her nose and ears were cut off, she was made to "pluck off" her own breasts, and then after being raped and mutilated, she is stoned to death. 23:1-49

"These discovered her nakedness: they took her sons and her daughters, and slew her with the sword." 23:10

"They shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire." 23:25

"I will deliver thee into the hand of them whom thou hatest ... And they shall deal with thee hatefully." 23:28-29

"Thou shalt ... pluck off thine own breasts: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD." 23:34

"The company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters, and burn up their houses with fire." 23:47

God gets all excited about cooking with "scum" and human flesh, saying "kindle the fire, consume the flesh, and spice it well, and let the bones be burned. Her scum shall be in the fire." 24:3-14

God kills Ezekiel's wife and then tells him not to mourn her. 24:16-18

God killed Ezekiel's wife to demonstrate his intention to kill the Israelites' children. And just as God told Ezekiel not to mourn his wife's death, God forbids the parents to mourn the death of their children. 24:21-24

God will kill everyone that claps his hands or stamps his feet "against the land of Israel." When he's done with the killing everyone will know that he is the Lord. 25:6-7

"I will execute judgments upon Moab; and they shall know that I am the LORD." 25:11

God will send Israelites to slaughter the people of Edom. 25:13-14

God will "stretch out his hand" to the Philistines (to kill them all). 25:16-17

God says he will destroy Tyrus. He plans to kill everyone, but he is especially looking forward to killing all of the women. "And her daughters which are in the field shall be slain by the sword; and they shall know that I am the LORD." 26:1-21

Now God has singled out the king of Tyre for his tirades. 28:7-10, 18-19

Watch out or God will make you "die the deaths of the uncircumcised," which is, no doubt, a most unpleasant death. 28:10

God says that Zidon will know that he is the Lord when he sends "pestilence and blood into her streets." 28:22-23

God tells Ezekiel to prophesy against the pharaoh and against all Egypt. God says he will feed the Egyptians to the birds and beasts. 29:2-9

God will punish Egypt and her allies by sending Nebuchadrezzar to "fill the land with the slain." Then he will make "the rivers dry," sell the land to "the wicked," make "the land waste," light fires, and kill all their young men with the sword. 30:4-26

"And they shall know that I am the LORD, when I have set a fire in Egypt." (The Divine Pyromaniac) 30:8, 30:14, 30:16

"Thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD." 31:18

God will treat Pharaoh like a whale fished out of the sea. Every bird and beast in the world will feed upon him. 32:3-6

God will vex the hearts of many people, destroy entire nations, brandish his sword, kill animals, and cause floods. In this way people will come to know him (just before he kills them?). 32:9-15

God takes a break from killing people while he kills all the animals in Egypt. 32:13

Pharaoh and all his multitude, along with the uncircumcised, will be killed with the sword. 32:20-32

When God is getting ready to kill people with the sword, it's the watchman's duty to warn them about it by blowing a trumpet. If the people hear the trumpet but don't "take warning," then God will kill the people but not the watchman. But if the watchman doesn't blow the trumpet when he sees God coming, then God will kill the people and the watchman. 33:2-6

God tells Ezekiel that he is the watchman. So the usual watchman rules apply to him. 33:7-9

If a "righteous" person does something wrong, God will forget every good thing that that person has ever done. Then God will kill him for the single mistake. 33:12-13

God plans some more killing by the sword, beasts, and the pestilence. 33:27-29

God tells Ezekiel about his plans for the Edomites (Seir). He's going to kill them all. That way they'll know for sure that he is the Lord. 35:2-15

"Thou shalt come up against my people of Israel ... in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me ... O Gog." 38:16

God will cause each man's sword to be against his brother; he will send disease and make it rain fire and brimstone. He says that by doing this he'll magnify and sanctify himself and let everyone know that he is the Lord. 38:21-23

God will have birds and beasts eat human flesh and drink human blood until they are full and drunken. 39:4, 17-20, 28

God sets a fire on Magog and feeds Gog and all of his people to the birds and beasts. He did all this to let them know that he is the Lord. 39:4-7

After the Israelites spend seven years burying Gog's soldiers, God (somehow) feed their bodies to the birds and beasts and gets t hem drunk on their blood. 39:17-28

"They have even defiled my holy name by their abominations that they have committed: wherefore I have consumed them in mine anger." 43:8

God's instructions for ritualistic animal sacrifices 43:18-25

Don't bring any strangers or people with uncircumcised hearts or flesh to God's sanctuary when your offering him fat and blood. 44:7-9

Stay away from idols or you'll bear your iniquity (i.e., God will kill you). But be sure to offer God lots of fat and blood and burnt offerings. 44:10-15

How to kill animals for God 45:15-25

More important instructions from God on how to kill and sacrifice animals to him. 46:2-7

How to prepare your daily meat, peace, and burnt offerings 46:11-15

How to boil your sin and trespass offerings and bake your meat offerings. 46:20

The holy court dimensions 46:22

[m8son666]

God will pour out his fury on everyone, with pity toward none.

my niqqa

[_ronzlo_]

The stigma of being an atheist in the US

A recent poll conducted by the Pew Research Centre shows Americans would rather have a president who was either in their 70s, or openly gay, or who had never held any public office than one that was atheist.

Astonishingly, a previous poll by Pew suggested respondents in the US regarded atheists as less trustworthy than rapists.

[OGLemon]

I read that today and was also shocked about that statistic. Representative democracy is shit so I'm not too pissed.

[AxeD]

Who wouldn't want a gay, 70 year old rapist running things?
Maybe the BBC should do a poll as well.

[rickyarbino]

From a theistic perspective, I don't see why people should expect someone who opposes many people's source of morality to behave morally and be worthy of trust tbh, definitely no more so than a rapist.

Before you scream...
A rapist is someone who's guilty of one immoral act, which presumably ranks below blasphemy in terms of egregiousness, and as an atheist you have the potential to commit all of them.

[magma]

Who wouldn't want a gay, 70 year old rapist running things?
Maybe the BBC should do a poll as well.

It turns out Operation Yewtree is the new name for the Republican Primaries.

[_ronzlo_]

From a theistic perspective, I don't see why people should expect someone who opposes many people's source of morality to behave morally and be worthy of trust tbh, definitely no more so than a rapist.

Before you scream...
A rapist is someone who's guilty of one immoral act, which presumably ranks below blasphemy in terms of egregiousness, and as an atheist you have the potential to commit all of them.

So you're saying there can be no morality without God, that he/she/they/it is the source of all morality? Humans just receive the golden shower of benificent morality and those humans who don't participate are capable of... wait, what?

Don't buy it.

[Harkat]

No, he's just saying lots of yanks think that. Or maybe they wouldn't put it that way, but God is so tied up in what it means to be moral to them, so the opposite of God, or the lack of God, is the lack of morality just by association.

edit: lol caught exactly when you changed your avatar

[BonerJams04]

that biblical contradictions thing is so lame. why do atheists give a shit what others choose to believe

[rickyarbino]

From a theistic perspective, I don't see why people should expect someone who opposes many people's source of morality to behave morally and be worthy of trust tbh, definitely no more so than a rapist.

Before you scream...
A rapist is someone who's guilty of one immoral act, which presumably ranks below blasphemy in terms of egregiousness, and as an atheist you have the potential to commit all of them.

So you're saying there can be no morality without God, that he/she/they/it is the source of all morality? Humans just receive the golden shower of benificent morality and those humans who don't participate are capable of... wait, what?

Don't buy it.

You're dumb


But keep going, you're fuelling this thread's purpose.

[ultraspatial]

From a theistic perspective, I don't see why people should expect someone who opposes many people's source of morality to behave morally and be worthy of trust tbh, definitely no more so than a rapist.

Before you scream...
A rapist is someone who's guilty of one immoral act, which presumably ranks below blasphemy in terms of egregiousness, and as an atheist you have the potential to commit all of them.

So you're saying there can be no morality without God, that he/she/they/it is the source of all morality? Humans just receive the golden shower of benificent morality and those humans who don't participate are capable of... wait, what?

Don't buy it.

well to be fair, secular morality is rooted in christian (mainly protestant) thought. locke's contractualist theory is a great example for this

that biblical contradictions thing is so lame. why do atheists give a shit what others choose to believe

religious tolerance isn't an atheistic concept. christian scholars have argued in favour of it long before people actually started calling themselves atheists
and modern western atheism as we know it was "an attack" on the authority of the christian church - authority which took many forms over the years
nowadays imo militant atheism is pretty much a religion that needs to legitimize itself just like any other religion/doctrine/ideology out there so it will use anything it can against other beliefs

[Jizz]

Religion was our means to understand morality imo. Morality was always there, just didn't seem appealing to most till the incentive for a heaven or re-incarnation came along

But now we are at a point where we have the capacity to understand that morals should not be something that are upheld purely for some self-interested incentive

[scspkr99]

well to be fair, secular morality is rooted in christian (mainly protestant) thought. locke's contractualist theory is a great example for this

I don't think this is right. What's Christian about contractualism outside of that some contractualists will have been religious? What is christian about utilitarianism? You can trace all of western thought to some part of the church given how ubiquitous the church has been in western european history and virtue theorists and Kantians may often be motivated by religious reasons but I don't know that secular morality is rooted in christian thought.

[ultraspatial]

Religion was our means to understand morality imo. Morality was always there, just didn't seem appealing to most till the incentive for a heaven or re-incarnation came along

But now we are at a point where we have the capacity to understand that morals should not be something that are upheld purely for some self-interested incentive

lol morality didn't just appear

well to be fair, secular morality is rooted in christian (mainly protestant) thought. locke's contractualist theory is a great example for this

I don't think this is right. What's Christian about contractualism outside of that some contractualists will have been religious? What is christian about utilitarianism? You can trace all of western thought to some part of the church given how ubiquitous the church has been in western european history and virtue theorists and Kantians may often be motivated by religious reasons but I don't know that secular morality is rooted in christian thought.

should have continued that but cba to engage in serious discussion. but sure, over time we secularized elements of christian morality via utiliarianism, ideas like being subject of a life or whatever else you want to pick

tho not explicitly, cause it's always going to be justified by reason or some utilitarian argument, the idea of having natural rights is still an inherently christian one. the thought that we deserve some special treatmeant (natural rights) and the faith that we can actually respect this derives from christianity in the western world. just that we took out the parts about having souls and being created by god

[Jizz]

nah, morality was there already, it didn't appear. there was just no incentive going for why we should be moral, until civilization/religion began

[scspkr99]

Eudiamona was a concept that predates Christian morality and if anything Christianity co-opted pre existing Aristotelian philosophy.