Whats your view about all things scene related???

[jackquinox]

See what i always find interesting is when i look at the records i bought in the last month or so i dont think any of them are formulaic but then i also havent really heard them being played out anywhere artists like 2562, Peverlist, RSD, Shackleton, Gatekeeper, Pinch, Vaccine, Rustie, DQ1 the list goes on and its only because it was Pinch and Vex'd playing saturday night that i actualey got to hear alot of these producers for the first time on a big rig.

There is already a split in the scene a while back (and im sure alot of us remember this) i used to buy every record that fell into the "Dubstep" genre on Boomkat (about 1 a month) but now i probably buy 1 in 5 records released but at least i can look at the few records i buy and truly think they are incredible and say right lets put these together and see what happens, labels like Tectonic, Punch Drunk, Skull Disco, hyperdub and Hot Flush are a sure test of labels continuing to push boundries.....

[sk]

Y'know Wheres Wally? ...like spot the girl sort of thing.

Would you thats true?

[chu]

I was refering more to this part:

I look around at a gig and its like wheres she-wally!? ha ha Not that thats a bad thing in any way.

Gotta love the ladies.

[saxenhammer]

Hear what your saying bruv but how can u tell anyone on this forum the new releases are formulaic. Look at Tes la Rok, look at Vex'd, look at the progression of skream if you want. All of those artists and so many others are varying the output completely, have you listened across there backlog, if you call that plodding along then maybe you should get into gabba.

I know its all about opinion, but the energy is there and i think 90% of this forum can feel it, no matter whether they are seeing benga, hatcha, mala or any of the big guns, or just some local dj smashing it with a really varried set (like my local in notts Rust). I think to say the production and the nights have become formulaic is fudementally wrong, because the proof is out there. producers like ASBO coming up, Ultrablack, EFA so many to choose from that are coming up with individual tunes raning from really dark techy vibes, to ragga pumping full of energy riddems.

Fine if you've gone off the music as a whole and don't genuinely like it at 140 bpm or wateva, then thats your decision. But you carnt say dubstep has become formulaic because it quite blatantly hasnt.

I dont think gabba is any worse than dubstep....a lot of people seem to think dubstep is the special genre thats totally open and theres no rules, which makes me chuckle.Gabba, fair enough,is 95% shit (tell me a scene that isnt 95% shit), but there are people out there pushing the music in extreme and new directions that you will only find if you go looking ,while the big "lowest common denominator" producers / djs get popular.This is how scenes work.

[shonky]

I dont think gabba is any worse than dubstep....a lot of people seem to think dubstep is the special genre thats totally open and theres no rules, which makes me chuckle.Gabba, fair enough,is 95% shit (tell me a scene that isnt 95% shit), but there are people out there pushing the music in extreme and new directions that you will only find if you go looking ,while the big "lowest common denominator" producers / djs get popular.This is how scenes work.

Truth, and you're unlikely to get bored at a gabba night, even if you're in pain, irritated and utterly spun out. I loves a bit of gabba now and again.

It is possible to be into more than one type of music at a time, thought most people grew out of that tribal, territorial bollocks in their teens (well mostly). Strength in numbers or herd mentality, who knows.

[obiwan]

Scenes looking good! grime and dubstep! They are some of the only things that keep me going sometimes... amongst others

[*grand*]

out to incyde.. loving your input.. so far the point that i keep seeing rearing its ugly head is that we all love dustep.. but those tunes that touch us llike only a women knows how harldy get played.. if the general concensus is we are more then likely to appreciate such tunes as mentioned throughout this topic.. then why do on average let me see .. of the 100 or so hours of radioi listen to a week, on average 3 dubstep nights thursday- saturday im out clubbing to this stuff do i never really hear those crowd movers... about the only one i hear is Tears by hi-jak.. hold tigth last exodus hands up in the air massive.

so.. ???? whats the deal?

[*grand*]

hold tight Sk.... any more ladies care to voice their opinion? dont eb shy give it a try..

btw wtf is gabba?

[shonky]

Scenes looking good! grime and dubstep! They are some of the only things that keep me going sometimes... amongst others

Still not managed to quit the rocks yet Obi

[Whistla]

I totally understand where Whistla's coming from on this, the stuff I buy and want to listen to is so far removed from what gets played at most evenings that it might as well be a totally different genre

I cud go into a whole rant about this and I wasnt gonna post anything apart from Grand hitting me on msn "post in my thread" so here I am.

Essentially the quote I've made from Shonky (where he's talking about what we were talking about @ Super Dubpressure, I prefer this type of thing to be in person as on forums its a bit bait) is what I'm saying.

[shonky]

btw wtf is gabba?

Distorted kicks, 180 bpm+, loads of distortion, 4/4, distorted screaming and a little dollop of distortion as relish. It's got a certain physical prescence to it but I think the similarities to dubstep probably end there. You'd hate it.

Very handy in clubs at 4 in the morning if you need something to perk you up a bit

[shonky]

I totally understand where Whistla's coming from on this, the stuff I buy and want to listen to is so far removed from what gets played at most evenings that it might as well be a totally different genre

I cud go into a whole rant about this and I wasnt gonna post anything apart from Grand hitting me on msn "post in my thread" so here I am.

Essentially the quote I've made from Shonky where he's talking about what we were talking about @ Super Dubpressure (I prefer this type of thing to be in person as on forums its a bit bait) is what I'm saying.

Cool boss, sorry about that. Won't happen again

[daggus]

edit shonky beat me to it almost as quick as gabba

[Whistla]

I totally understand where Whistla's coming from on this, the stuff I buy and want to listen to is so far removed from what gets played at most evenings that it might as well be a totally different genre

I cud go into a whole rant about this and I wasnt gonna post anything apart from Grand hitting me on msn "post in my thread" so here I am.

Essentially the quote I've made from Shonky where he's talking about what we were talking about @ Super Dubpressure (I prefer this type of thing to be in person as on forums its a bit bait) is what I'm saying.

Cool boss, sorry about that. Won't happen again

haha nah its cool!
i meant thats why i wasnt gonna post in here (you've already quoted me, and i think these type of things are discussed better in person anyway)
feel free to quote me or whatever all good

[sinc_vision]

surely there is going to be a point, that i think has already been crossed, when the old guard are swamped by the influx of new comers how many heads have stop going to FWd for example. No longer are cadburries chocolates, the only chocolate bars in the sweet shop...

some Dub-ecation in order me thinks.. ?

most definitely, i felt that at the last fwd i went to, then last dmz, then at superdubpressure. i'm not sayin it should stay exclusive, that would be selfish, the simple fact is that i just don't like the vibes as much as i used to and this was before i even met any of you lot on the scene. i'm so happy i got into the movement earlyish, back when i first started comin to nights i would spend my whole time listenin to the tunes and enjoyin everything, start to finish, now these days i find myself walking off the dancefloor in boredom for half the sets. there were some special times which are much harder to recreate given the saturation of both tracks and audience, things like...anything in 3rd bass...skankin to chef's set at the end of dmz 1st bday with only about 3 other people on the dancefloor(!!!), it was fuckin unreal, cant picture that cosy vibe anymore (funny how i associate a near empty room with the lights on as being cosy)...also shit like hearin plastician drop japan for the first time at fwd...havent had deep moments like these as thick and fast as i used to.
sorry if my points seem a bit randomated, im goin bed.

also, i dont want to seem like negging out but it does feel to me that the buzz has gone a little bit from the forum. saying that though, i never have a computer screen in front of me without the warming blue glow of the forum somewhere. I still feel as passionate about dubstep as i did when i first listened to horsepower way back, when i heard tayo playing it on kiss, crazy d's sing song, the bass poetry of anti war dub, mud getting 5 rewinds at dmz. In fact what i think is one of the best points of dubstep particularly is the people. We have so many great nights now going on, and still at every one you can bop up and just start chatting to people. i've met so many safe people over the years and always have such a good night. thats what i feel fucking enthusiastic about.

start to finish, agree with everything you just said there bro.

[pk-]

nothing particularly contraversial to add...i still like the music and i've met countless number of genuinely safe people at dubstep nights, long may that trend continue. every night i go to is a brilliant few hours (even when world war 3 breaks out) and everyone i meet is (generally) there for the love of the music, which is pretty hard for me to feel cynical about

i suppose the only negative is that the forum's getting a bit like every internet forum eventually does; lack of patience with new folks and quite a bit of mean spiritedness going around

[seckle]

big up grandizzle for this thread. the only thing i'll add to this is that for every person that's...
-a member of this forum
-goes to fwd/dmz or their own local party every week
-listens to the radio shows and downloads the mixes
-generally knows what's going on in the "scene".

for all of those people^ ; there's going to be at least 20 people that...
-are just there to let loose after a long work week
-don't care what tunes are being dropped as long as the vibe is right and the dj can mix.
-aren't interested that DJ XYZ just played something brand new
-don't care about the anthems

and generally could care less about all the things that are being discussed in this thread.

the stage of this scene is at a crossroads, where every single week there's new faces, and new energy coming to the parties. as much as detailed analysis and re-analysis is totally important on some levels, i think we have to start focusing on the fact that there's 65 radio shows a week now, some of the bigger parties are drawing 300 to 800 consistently in the door, certain record labels are selling over a thousand 12"s in one day.

the seven years of grinding that it took to get the sound to where it is today is bearing tremendous fruit. there are people living their lifelong musical dreams right now. peoples passports are filled with stamps from all over the world. it's incredible.

with the end of the year fast approaching, there's so much to be thankful for, and i sometimes feel that this over analysis and microscopic nitpicking , actually becomes a bit silly. my 2cents, and i'm not trying to belittle the importance of the thread, but i think we have to realize and give thanks for where this music was 5 years ago,and where it stands today.

global things.

[two oh one]

i like "movement"

I like movement, too. But movement suggests purpose. Does Dubstep have a purpose, besides being self serving?

[two oh one]

Double post.

[thc]

In my opinon (big stress on those words), there are only a handful of producers making good stuff these days. I feel the scene is flooded with a lof of medicore material. It's just that a lot of people have jumped on this scene. There's some directions the the sound has gone that I wasn't particularly pleased with. But I'd much rather people try things and me not like them than not try them at all.
In 2005 and early 2006, it was all about Dubstep for me. But to be honest, I've been feeling Grime more this year. I just really feel the energy of it. I also enjoy MCs a lot, which is something that Dubstep unfortunately lacks. Mighty Mo has had some excellent shows on Kiss with Hatcha, but thats about all I can say for Dubstep MCs.
I've also gotten into Bassline/Niche which in some ways is the antithesis of Dubstep.
I remember a time when I listened to a lot of Dubstep shows regularly, but now I only listen to N-Type, Hatcha, & Youngsta. It makes me think to myself, "Hmm, how did this happen?"