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pk- · Post by **pk-** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:45 pm

Parson wrote:http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... &plindex=0

and

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... &plindex=3

you can't skim them though. not all evidence comes in 30 second soundbytes.

i'm sorry, i honestly am going to watch it in full but i clicked on the second one, saw dan akroyd trying to be serious and pissed myself

not the best start lol

the wiggle baron · Post by **the wiggle baron** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:14 pm

This has gone nowhere. I have seen NOTHING so far that offers anything even remotely related to evidence, let alone proof of "UFOs".

At the VERY BEST i can agree that there are unexplainable objects with unexplainable properties doing unexplainable things. But thats it. They are unexplainable (with our current knowledge/paradigm!)

Unexplainable objects -> Intelligent life that is looking out for us in a "benevolent" fashion = someone who is trying to justify their most laughable of career choices.

We do not understand the universe. At all. In my opinion we have barely scratched the surface with our understanding of whats "out there" and the thought that we can consider our current knowledge as truth is to me about as ludicrous as stone age man considering that what they knew is right. (I know thats a really bad analogy but I can't bring myself to put any more effort into trying to counter this bullshit)

I really dont mean to offend Parson! I of course have no problems with anyone drawing up any conclusions they feel from whats in front of them (and im sure you have read/seen much more in the way of evidence/documentation than myself) but to me, this has done nothing but further confirm my thought that for time being at least, were alone. I need more than unexplainable phenomenon to infer intelligent life im afraid.

Oh, and I would love to go for a drink with you some time Parson!

(And I cant stop but think of the "God of the gaps" while watching this)

Edit: As another thought, if the idea of alien life/UFOs/whatever you want to call it did not exist, none of these findings would be interpreted like this. You can do what you want with "evidence", and as a Ufologist this man has done nothing but take everything and explain it in a way that points towards what he wants it to. Its like watching an election campaign...

Another edit: Very good point raised in someones comment, how come if these are supposed disc shaped objects they are always face on to the camera? Surely you would expect some (the majority in fact) to be elliptical? And some to be side on even?

Parts 10 and 11 are the closest thing to evidence or whatever you want to call it that i have seen in the whole thing, and he says "these are probably UFOs". No, they arent. They are something we cant explain. (And yes i know thats what UFO means, but he also goes on to say it involves "incredible intelligence", so for another point hes in fact using the term "UFO" wrong. Quite ironic for a Ufologist.)

My thoughts on this whole subject. This guy is a twat who has made himself a tidy profit off peoples natural want to believe in this. Which puts him on a par with John Edward.

the wiggle baron · Post by **the wiggle baron** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:42 pm

"We know there is no stars inbetween the space shuttle and earth, as we are looking directly down on it with no space in between, does that mean that the word star could be code for the word UFO?"

If this the best evidence we can produce. I do not, and shall not ever believe in this. Which is a fucking pity as it shits on just about every boyhood dream I ever had...(apart from the one where Audrey Hepburn is choking me)

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:18 pm

watch the disclosure project then if you don't like sereda's explanations

there is tons of evidence.

good evidence

i watched the sereda video again last night and still stand by it. its good evidence. your continued skepticism is much like the native americans who could not see the ships.

that is all.

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:20 pm

all truth passes through three stages. first it is ridiculed. second, it is violently opposed. third it is accepted as being self-evident.

- arthur schoepenhauer

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:24 pm

Future Producer wrote:I do think there are aliens out there but little grey humanoid like fellas just don't do it for me.

well there are grey humanoid fellas. there are several kinds of them. there are also human looking humanoid fellas. 57 cataloged species of extraterrestrials.
what we know about evolution is incorrect.
humanoids evolved elsewhere and here. look into panspermia if you want an evolution theory that is gaining popularity.

Unless it's confirmed by the Govt. with proof and/or I see spacecraft's with little fellas in side I still sit on the fence.

the disclosure project IS the government. they just don't work for them anymore because the government is seriously trying to keep it covered up.

future producer · Post by **future producer** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:24 pm

SETI has been going for like 40 odd years, don't you think they would of picked these little aliens up? If their flying down to earth why don't they just send a signal to SETI, it would do us all a favour.

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:25 pm

SETI is looking at radio waves!

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:26 pm

every single doubt is covered in one part of either video i posted if people would sit down and watch them and listen to what they are saying and not skim and laugh at the bad production value and music or celebrity endorsements.

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:30 pm

The Wiggle Baron wrote:This has gone nowhere. I have seen NOTHING so far that offers anything even remotely related to evidence, let alone proof of "UFOs".

At the VERY BEST i can agree that there are unexplainable objects with unexplainable properties doing unexplainable things. But thats it. They are unexplainable (with our current knowledge/paradigm!)

Unexplainable objects -> Intelligent life that is looking out for us in a "benevolent" fashion = someone who is trying to justify their most laughable of career choices.

i wish you could read this post from my perspective.

these things fly in formation. they react to NASA's energy experiment. they interfere with nuke launches. these are all signs of intelligence.

slim · Post by **slim** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:37 pm

I've bookmarked the thing and will have a look another time, i'd like to understand more about parson's ideas, i've never really come into contact with people who believe in this kinda stuff so it's interesting to be able to get that kind of insight.

Never got my head round your views on HIV though.

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:41 pm

i got my views on HIV from Harper's and that video i posted which has been removed. i should have downloaded.

guerillaeye · Post by **guerillaeye** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:43 pm

whats your views on HIV?

I missed that discussion.

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:47 pm

from what i have gathered, there is a growing contingent of scientists who believe that HIV and AIDS are not connected in any way

HIV doesn't even exist in sperm, so its sexual transmission is impossible unless you have blood in your sperm and that blood makes it into some kind of open wound. not the kind of thing you can say is spreading sexually.

there was a video i posted that went into the science behind it and had all kinds of dudes saying AIDS is being caused by something else and that HIV is pretty much harmless.

and here is the harper's article claiming that its the drugs treating HIV which is causing the AIDS syndrome
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/03/0080961

slim · Post by **slim** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:48 pm

Parson wrote:i got my views on HIV from Harper's and that video i posted which has been removed. i should have downloaded.

Yeah i think i watched it... but i wasn't sure if i finished it before my computer died or not... damn, will have a search for it some time, cos the idea is intersting. I mean i think the evidence for viral transmission is fairly foolproof, but like i say i have little to no contact with other ideas on these kinds of things.

As for the aliens, what is the general consensus on where they supposedly come from? Cos unless they are close by (not likely, that would be a bit bait) they would have to be able to travel close to lightspeed (and that opens up a whole world of shit) or be the distant descendents of the original pioneers. Or immortal. And i don't wanna go anywhere near that.

upreal · Post by **upreal** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:50 pm

pansperminc evolution theory? I didn't expect to see it mentioned seriously outside the walls of that one biology class.
As far as aliens are concerned, none of the 'evidence' so far is evident to me. If among the millions of ufo photos/videos there is 1% which is genuine then the UFO lovers are really really stupid for making tons of fake ones making it hard to spot the real UFOs.
I'll never say they don't exist but I'll keep saying I haven't been convinced.

guerillaeye · Post by **guerillaeye** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:52 pm

the theory of worm holes.. tearing the fabric of the space/time continum.

its kinda like bending the straight line of distance into a u... l

ike bending this > _____
into this > U and taking the gap.

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:54 pm

ok i don't know where they come from.

ppl say andromeda cuz its nearby. i don't know. there's so many different kinds i would guess they come from all over the universe.

as for lightspeed travel, thats what the second video is all about.
what wiggle baron is calling gradeschool physics lesson becomes very much very advanced as the video continues along. allow me to attempt to summarize what is presented:

lightspeed travel is going to need a lot more energy than we know of.

it is also impossible because we know mass increases infinitely as you approach light speed, which would require infinitely more energy, and its just not possible.

what is observed in the videos is invisible ufos zipping around doing impossible things. invisible to the naked eye, but showing up in the near UV spectrum. this means that the objects are so energetic that they have exceeded the visible light spectrum.

what they have discovered is that the more energy matter aquires, the less mass it has. if an object were to become so highly energized that it had no more mass, it would become invisible, and be able to defy the laws of physics because it would have gotten around all the problems of mass including inertia and lightspeed travel.

sereda concludes that the energy is derived from miniature black holes.
however the disclosure project verifies that the energy in fact comes from Zero Point Energy, which we have actually been able to backwards engineer and have for ourselves at this point.

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:01 pm

upreal wrote:pansperminc evolution theory? I didn't expect to see it mentioned seriously outside the walls of that one biology class.

check this out http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6146292.stm

"Many scientists remain highly sceptical, however, but if Wickramasinghe and Louis are correct it will be the strongest evidence so far that the theory of Panspermia might be true.

It also raises the intriguing possibility that if life first originated on another planet then it must mean all Earth organisms, including humans, evolved from alien life. "

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:11 pm

Parson wrote: and here is the harper's article claiming that its the drugs treating HIV which is causing the AIDS syndrome
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/03/0080961

I heard about this years ago

and about the disclosure project

the govt has undergone a massive campaign to ruin Stephen Greers' credibility.

if what he was presenting was harmless, or not true

why would the govt undergo a massive character assassination on someone?

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