Why nothings gonna change because of obama

[nousd]

^Insightful and endearing.

[legend4ry]

And Chris, I'd have to say I enjoy the more essay based topics. Although that probably is just because I can't acces you tube from work.

Hahaha, I feel for you bruv, srsly.

Nah I dunno everytime I read these sort of topics I tend to read them wrong, mainly cause I don't 'get' half the shit being said but I dunno.. I guess the internet really IS serious business.

[elbe]

And Chris, I'd have to say I enjoy the more essay based topics. Although that probably is just because I can't acces you tube from work.

Hahaha, I feel for you bruv, srsly.

Nah I dunno everytime I read these sort of topics I tend to read them wrong, mainly cause I don't 'get' half the shit being said but I dunno.. I guess the internet really IS serious business.

hell yeah, you can't trust anything anyone say's, cept for in certain books and certain parts of the internets, apparently.

[nousd]

^ yeah, this here is one of the few uncorrupted corners.
You can believe everything posted on here unless its written by a drug-fiend.

[adikt]

or an Adikt



Earthling speaks the truth. Dont believe a word. Question reality itself.

[Tangka]

the fact is that you will find far more true information on the internet than on tv and even newspapers and school textbooks, because the information on the internet is still largely under the peoples' control and discretion.

I trust the people above the government. the people understand what I need and even care about what I need, based on an understanding of their own need as people.

The government, however, upon finding itself deep in the pocket of the international banking cartel, only understands its own need to control, and manipulate. When you are in debt to someone you do what they say or get your kneecaps shot off.

[freqone]

I just found it amazing that i got to see a black man get electred as president,...I appreciate that I got to witness that.

[fuagofire]

the fact is that you will find far more true information on the internet than on tv and even newspapers and school textbooks, because the information on the internet is still largely under the peoples' control and discretion.
.

http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublons ... ociety.htm

[starz]

not too sure what jibberjabber you're going on with but as Obama said in his victory speech, America can't change in the 4 years he's there.. hell, it probably won't change in the 8 years after...

change to America is gonna take YEARS!

[the great void]

I'm of a mind to believe that Obama is much brighter than you and I
and that he does have our best collective, if not individual, interests in mind when, with his superb networking and subversive skills,
he incorporates his opponents and puts them in harness for the greater good.

Makes me wonder what your ideals are...libertarian rights without the responsibilities? What do you put your faith in...your own opinions being right and immutable? It smacks of fundamentalist conspiracism to me...i.e. ascribe the workings of the world to iniquitous influences unrealized by those other than the cognescenti.

But, in the end, we are out of the loop and don't know.
This alone should at least raise doubts.
In that circumstance I prefer to be pragmatic and hopeful. Change is best made incrementally to be acceptable and I view Obama is a well-intentioned agent of the changes that will be made.

I regret that you meanwhile need to stew in your bile and pessimism.

Does obama have mankinds best interests at heart? Yes, I would say so. Infact Id say that the whole ruling elite does. If they can eradicate religeon and cultural diversity, move us into a 1 world dictatorship destroying all nations as they now seem to stand etc, then the result is we would probably all be better off for it a few generations down the line. Even the really far out theories some people like alex jones spout like they want to kill off 80% of the world and keep its population under 500 million or whatever, in truth probably a good thing for mankind as a species on this planet. There are too many of us, we are all divided by silly religeons and countries, there is a lot of waste in the current system.

I think they all are doing what they think is right for humanity as a whole. Ignorence IS bliss. Without a lot of what we now hold dear we would be better off. We as individuals wouldnt be happy about it maybe, but those born into it would probably live more forfilled lives and have less worries. Dont presume too much about me and my beliefs cause from the little you have said you are already off on the wrong foot.

Do I believe my own opinions are right? Of course, or Id have a different opinion. Do I consider my opinions immutable? No. What do I believe in generally in a plitical sense? I believe everyones opinion of right and wrong is there own and they are entitled to it. Within this a certain level of control has to be kept overall to ensure one persons ideas dont start to hinder anothers in practice. I believe that the only way mankind as a whole can achieve lasting peace and productivity is probably a 1 world government with complete iradication of nations and religeons, and a huge curbing of cultural diversity to a izan like level where we all share the same general opinions, tastes and general manner in day to day life. Do I think we should have lasting peace and productivity? Im not sure. For me, right now, no I dont think the cost is worth what it would mena to my life. Its would be impossible to impliment given the wya we have lived our lives up to now. Which is why theyre bringing it in slowly behind closed doors.

and there is where my problem is. Its all well going down that road for the greater good of mankind, but the term 'good' is subjective. Good in my opinion, good in their opinion, maybe not good for the next man and how he wants to live his life. People are taking their ideals and pushing them on the world behind everyones backs, and if I agree that its the best way to go or not for me thats not on. If were gonna do something for the good of all mankind lets find out what mankind in general thinks is good, not what some right wing thinktank has decided is the way to go and the 99.99999999% of other people on the planet arnt fit to make these decisions or even be told whats really goin on.

Consider this: I, perhaps we, have been where you are.
And moved on because it wasn't reasonable.
.

and consider this, perhapse WE have been where YOU are, and moved on because our logic has made it impossible to not believe these things are true. Reasonable has nothing to do with it. Perhapse you should consider that your possibly not the most enlightened guy here with all the answers to everyones questions and the lockdown on the psychoanalisis of everyone here.

People have posted what they believe. You believe something different and are trying to ram your opion down their throat and are insulting people calling their beliefs bile and vapid crap. Perhapse it is you who needs to stop being so self righteous with your ideals and beliefs, and the fact you seem to think you are the one whos opinions are right and immutable. Acording to you I dont know whats really going on, great, Im the first person to admit I dont know for sure whats going on. But neither do you, and where I state what I think as a belief you state your opinions as fact and insult people who disagree, even though u cant prove a single thing just like they cant. So how does that fit with your charicter judgements bruv

Get off the highhorse and back on the highchair mate, youre the only person in this thread who seems to be completely lost in their own little world of whats really goin infront of them.

[alien pimp]

some people discuss like the validity of a judgment is a subjective matter, like there's no more truth, just opinions

here's undoubtedly a valid logic nobody can contradict (please try!):
there's only 3 options:
1.some people are aware of reality
2. all people are aware of reality
3. no people are aware of reality

if you choose:
1. that means there's some people that are aware of reality and are able to express it as they perceive it. Sothey can also make statements that are true, not a strong opinion. so look after what one can prove not after one's opinions!
2. people honestly believe in the existence and the non-existence of same thing, but since one thing cannot be existent and non-existent same time, obviously one of the sides proves it's not aware of reality, so option 2 fails
3. then debates about the existence of everything, including obama's good or bad intentions, are meaningless! go do something more meaningful than contradicting your own belief here!

so again: fuck opinions, bring the slice of the truth you are holding!

[alien pimp]

fact:
this guy knew these things years ago, but people who created them say they didn't. now it proved true and not a tiny sign anything will change.
any opinion is nothing compared to the fierce logic proved correct by your very own life today.


"Globalization creates interlocking fragility, while reducing volatility and giving the appearance of stability. In other words it creates devastating Black Swans. We have never lived before under the threat of a global collapse. Financial Institutions have been merging into a smaller number of very large banks. Almost all banks are interrelated. So the financial ecology is swelling into gigantic, incestuous, bureaucratic banks – when one fails, they all fall. The increased concentration among banks seems to have the effect of making financial crisis less likely, but when they happen they are more global in scale and hit us very hard. We have moved from a diversified ecology of small banks, with varied lending policies, to a more homogeneous framework of firms that all resemble one another. True, we now have fewer failures, but when they occur ….I shiver at the thought."

— Nassim Taleb, The Black Swan (2006)

[nousd]

You're sounding increasingly desperate guys.
Perhaps the wrong audience for your prosletizing.
There's a young fella, coupla doors down, lost his job and his girl...
He's pretty angry, feeling powerless, susceptible to your message I'd say.
Mind you, he'd be more appreciative of a good feed.
But, as you say, this isn't about reasonableness.

[the great void]

You're sounding increasingly desperate guys.
Perhaps the wrong audience for your prosletizing.
There's a young fella, coupla doors down, lost his job and his girl...
He's pretty angry, feeling powerless, susceptible to your message I'd say.
Mind you, he'd be more appreciative of a good feed.
But, as you say, this isn't about reasonableness.

and ur sounding like a sad, self important little guy who is guitly of everything hes trying to acuse other people of and is resorting to pathetic attempts at insults to try and 'win' and argument he has created from his own self righteous bile. No ones asking u to subscribe to anything. So why dont u take ur smug, desperate comments and keep em for some kid whos actually stupid enough to buy into ur illusion that ur actually more informed and sensible than the next man.

I dont feel angry or powerless, your presumptiosn about people in this thread are laughable, politics aside its pretty obvious your the main person in thsi thread who holds beliefs he cant prove but is comepltely engulfed by his own ego to the point where u believe u are right in everything u think and no one elses opinons could possibly have any merit if they dont exactly corelate with your own.

No one can say for sure about the polical theories in here, so no one cna be proven right or wrong. However uve decided to take this to the level of challenging peoples charicters and on that score uve just failed in the most epic sense and come off as the biggest moron in town. Well done.

[nousd]

I'll resist the temptation to stir further
and ask for your forgiveness for my insults.
In return I will forgive you for your foolishness.
Deal?

[alien pimp]

http://www.wimp.com/crazywar/

a collective effort for our friends who can't read

[nousd]

^Propoganda resorts to any medium.