My DAW is better than yours! (Friendly DAW Wars debate)

[SunkLo]

u fuk

I chopped up a buncha guitar sound effects I made last night. My fuckin drum pads are sticking randomly though. Can't wait for the fatpads. Got a folder of acapellas to go through and chop now. The horns resampling will be time consuming too. I gotta multi-track them as if they were actual single horn players and program minute variations in tone and articulation. Then squish em all together.

I could see me actually finishing by next week, surprisingly enough. I've been trying to hammer away at this DSP book though and I have 2 half-hour episodes of dialogue to edit and mix that I should probably do sometime soon, so who knows how productive I'll be.

[nowaysj]

Bro, I've got to start sending you my dialog for editing!

[smalltock]

It's only 1 buck for the precompiled version though, that's hardly spectacular.

Yeah in this case, I'm also being idealistically pricky, as well. They're distributing binaries for a very good price, it just goes against the customs/expectations that come along with an open-source project. I tend to get unnecessarily protestive in such cases.

Re Bitwig:
I doubt it'll be released at this point. It has lost all of its momentum and, even if it was released, would not be considered by a large enough portion of the music production community to sustain itself as a commercial application. Given the absence of an actual product, I'm starting to believe that Bitwig was never in development and that, instead, it was a manipulative attempt to get the Ableton staff to think they were in competition with an allegedly similar and superior product. ⁂Conspiracy theory⁂

[titchbit]

Re Bitwig:
I doubt it'll be released at this point. It has lost all of its momentum and, even if it was released, would not be considered by a large enough portion of the music production community to sustain itself as a commercial application. Given the absence of an actual product, I'm starting to believe that Bitwig was never in development and that, instead, it was a manipulative attempt to get the Ableton staff to think they were in competition with an allegedly similar and superior product. ⁂Conspiracy theory⁂

Created by the people who own Ableton ur saying to get their workers to work harder?

meh

[SunkLo]

Nah I definitely think people will take notice when it releases. There's tons of people just trying to get in on the closed beta. I imagine they planned to release it earlier but ran into a lot of shit to fix during beta, that's why the seem to have shot their load too early. I imagine they'll ship it right after a Musikmesse or NAMM or something and try to steal the headline story spot on all the music blogs. All it takes is an in-depth review on CDM and a few well produced demo videos and people will be all over it. Especially if they unveil some secret features that haven't been disclosed yet.

Wow I just checked out some of their devices and they're all suuuuuper similar to Ableton plugs. That's kinda greasy honestly, at least change the GUIs around a bit or some shit. Although I guess if you designed some effect, you have the right to re-implement that effect in any other software projects you work on. If anything, the two attempting to operate in the same niche will force massive innovation on both parts. Never a bad thing for the end users.

[smalltock]

Created by the people who own Ableton ur saying to get their workers to work harder?

Not necessarily. A separate party could do the same thing. I find the abovementioned scenario less likely, actually.

[SunkLo]

Well yeah considering how lacking the last Ableton update was. Not a monumental upgrade by any means. A third party seems even less likely though I think. Who would benefit from Ableton upping their game in the face of fresh competition? (apart from me)

[smalltock]

Unsatisfied users would.

[SunkLo]

Seems like a lot of effort to go through, having working demos at music trade shows just to up the ante for Ableton. If I was gonna put in that kind of work as a dev, I'd just actually make the program and not be dependent on someone else to implement what I want.

[nowaysj]

Yeah the initial bitwig vids looked interesting, but the latest looked like a skin...

[ehbes]

propellorhead has never faced a coup d'état, just saying

[SunkLo]

propellorhead has never faced a coup d'état, just saying

Cause nobody wants a piece of that. It's like that friend who's into fat chicks. You always wonder if he does it purely to eliminate competition.

[smalltock]

Ah, last I checked, they didn't make it to that stage. I suppose your point is valid. Still doubt it has the potential to be a major contender anymore, since its initial release is almost a year past-due and nobody expresses any excitement for it anymore, as far as I've seen.

[ehbes]

propellorhead has never faced a coup d'état, just saying

Cause nobody wants a piece of that. It's like that friend who's into fat chicks. You always wonder if he does it purely to eliminate competition.

Nah propellorhead is that guys who's into fit birds who don't have that extra vst weight they have carry around on their body

[titchbit]

imo

[SunkLo]

propellorhead has never faced a coup d'état, just saying

Cause nobody wants a piece of that. It's like that friend who's into fat chicks. You always wonder if he does it purely to eliminate competition.

Nah propellorhead is that guys who's into fit birds who don't have that extra vst weight they have carry around on their body

Nah propellerheads is that guy who's into amputees or blind chicks.

[ehbes]

Blind chicks can't judge you on looks

[SunkLo]

Yeah exactly. I can respect the hustle but ultimately it's a beta move.

I think Reason's avoided adding vst support for ages and now they've finally realize that it's a bit stupid so they're doing these rack extensions so they can have vst without really having vst. That way they're still not in direct competition with other DAWs.

[ehbes]

1v1 me pu$$y

[SunkLo]

ill kil u punk u dun even kno