The Official Growl Bass Thread

[mromgwtf]

That bass at 0:41 is way too high in pitch, play it one octave lower.

[enjarcher]

That bass at 0:41 is way too high in pitch, play it one octave lower.

Too high in pitch? It starts an octave above in the actual song, then glides down. What do you mean?

[PhotonOfficial]

But yeah, basically the bass is massive fed into a vowel eq, followed by izotope trash, then ableton saturator, then izotope ozone. After that it's resampled and shifted down a couple of semitones, and I automated a broad peak to move with the vowel, and for some of the faster bits I chopped it up.

Do you mind being a bit more specific? Such as your massive settings and izotope trash settings?

[enjarcher]

But yeah, basically the bass is massive fed into a vowel eq, followed by izotope trash, then ableton saturator, then izotope ozone. After that it's resampled and shifted down a couple of semitones, and I automated a broad peak to move with the vowel, and for some of the faster bits I chopped it up.

Do you mind being a bit more specific? Such as your massive settings and izotope trash settings?

Sure, basically in Massive all it is is modern talking (yes, really) on bend +/- with wt position to the right, automated wt position and intensity very slightly with the growl to create subtle timbre changes in the source. In Trash, I'm using amp drainer with around drive 3, and then I have a notch in filter 2 at around 800hz and automate the gain to follow the growl.

The processing is the main part of the sound really, the sound from Massive all on its own sounds like shit and nothing like the end result.

[PhotonOfficial]

Thanks for the tips Enjarcher. I never seem to be able to get Izotope Trash to get me a decent distortion without destroying the sound but that works perfectly!:D

Okay, i have had a shot at the SMANS bass yet again. I think i'm getting closer now. I used FM8 with the izotope trash setting that Enjarcher suggested and automated the FM amount and EQ to get the vowels.

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[enjarcher]

Thanks for the tips Enjarcher. I never seem to be able to get Izotope Trash to get me a decent distortion without destroying the sound but that works perfectly!:D

Okay, i have had a shot at the SMANS bass yet again. I think i'm getting closer now. I used FM8 with the izotope trash setting that Enjarcher suggested and automated the FM amount and EQ to get the vowels.

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You're welcome! I actually started using it myself because Skrillex has actually sung its praises in a couple of interviews, and that made me kinda curious

[j3wmangi]

I was just trying some new distortion VST's, trash was one of the better ones. However, I've currently settled on Devistator, it's fairly simple and packs a punch.

Here's the growl bass I'm looking to narrow down, well it's not the whole synth, just one particular part. It's a really good example of what I'm looking for, I've been dancing around it for a while now.
http://soundcloud.com/dubstep/dead-to-the-dark-by-dubba

I've got the basics down, but I haven't found the sweet spot for getting that belch that interjects between the other main synth. The belchis the part I'm really interested in, any help would be appreciated.I think I just haven't narrowed down the starting sound for it. Can someone demonstrate to me what that belching interjection sounds like clean?

Here's a clip of one of my sounds using Razor, this is clean, no additional plugin effects.
http://soundcloud.com/heyitsromer/clean ... er/s-gzu9Z

Here's a different one using massive
http://soundcloud.com/heyitsromer/massive-121101-173224

Thank's for any help that you can provide! If for some reason you want either of these presets hit me up with an email address and I'll send them. Cheers.

[PhotonOfficial]

Thanks for the tips Enjarcher. I never seem to be able to get Izotope Trash to get me a decent distortion without destroying the sound but that works perfectly!:D

Okay, i have had a shot at the SMANS bass yet again. I think i'm getting closer now. I used FM8 with the izotope trash setting that Enjarcher suggested and automated the FM amount and EQ to get the vowels.

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You're welcome! I actually started using it myself because Skrillex has actually sung its praises in a couple of interviews, and that made me kinda curious

Actually, that's the same reason I started using it (I thought it would get me Skrilx gruwls lul) but I could never get a good sound out if it; everything i did just turned my sound into mush.

[j3wmangi]

Today's Experiment
I took some advice I saw up a little bit and messed around with it starting with Modern talking and going from there, I tried trash2 again but just wound up going back to devistator.
No sub layer on this yet.

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[REAP3RMusic]

Sup people. I've been reading a few of the posts in this thread and I'm starting to understand the theory behind this technique but I can't, for the life of me, get anywhere near a distinctive vowel sound. Would anyone care to give a comprehensive step-by-step guide on the technique?
Cheers

(I'm using Live)

[mthrfnk]

Sup people. I've been reading a few of the posts in this thread and I'm starting to understand the theory behind this technique but I can't, for the life of me, get anywhere near a distinctive vowel sound. Would anyone care to give a comprehensive step-by-step guide on the technique?
Cheers

(I'm using Live)

Pretty sure this thread has posts/screenshots/tuts from me and other detailing EQ/filter techniques. Start playing out with formant EQ's (or WOW filter if you're lazy) and bandreject/notch filters

[REAP3RMusic]

Could I get a page reference please mate? I sort of understand the principle behind it but when I try to apply it, I dont get anything that sounds remotely growl-y. I'm using a source sound from fm8 with a sine as the carrier modulated by another sine which is in turn modulated by a 10th formant wave. I'm running it through ohmicide and camel crusher and then using EQ 8 with a peak at 1kHz and another at roughly 250Hz. I'm modulating the peak at 250 up to 1kHz. Where am I going wrong?

[Augment]

Could I get a page reference please mate? I sort of understand the principle behind it but when I try to apply it, I dont get anything that sounds remotely growl-y. I'm using a source sound from fm8 with a sine as the carrier modulated by another sine which is in turn modulated by a 10th formant wave. I'm running it through ohmicide and camel crusher and then using EQ 8 with a peak at 1kHz and another at roughly 250Hz. I'm modulating the peak at 250 up to 1kHz. Where am I going wrong?

Find a formant sheet thing showing the vowels, and automate notches between the frequencies. A hp filter can be nice aswell automated from about 100hz - 750 maybe during the growl. Kinda have to find a sweet spot for every growl.

[REAP3RMusic]

I'm using formant charts. I can pull out the formant frequencies with notches but I cant get a clean transition between the two if that makes sense.

[Augment]

I'm using formant charts. I can pull out the formant frequencies with notches but I cant get a clean transition between the two if that makes sense.

How are you doing it?

[REAP3RMusic]

Well I'm trying to get a 'Yay' sound. I have my eq at the end of my effects chain with a notch at 270 for the 'e' sound with full gain mapped to a knob on my controller and a notch at 660 for the 'a' sound with full gain. I've also scooped out everything in between. Then I'm playing a note and sweeping the first notch up to the second.

[Augment]

Well I'm trying to get a 'Yay' sound. I have my eq at the end of my effects chain with a notch at 270 for the 'e' sound with full gain mapped to a knob on my controller and a notch at 660 for the 'a' sound with full gain. I've also scooped out everything in between. Then I'm playing a note and sweeping the first notch up to the second.

Automate both between different freqs, don't scoop out everything and add a third notch going between some other freqs.
Off the top of my head, try automating a narrow notch between 1000-1600 and one between 2000-2400, and a hp filter from 90 to 6-700. A small notch around 600 hz maybe being automated, if u want. Should give u a cool sound

[REAP3RMusic]

Better but still not as profound as I'm trying to achieve. I'm going for something along the lines of this:



Its not sounding like SkisM that I'm bothered about. Its the technique involved.

[Augment]

Better but still not as profound as I'm trying to achieve. I'm going for something along the lines of this:



Its not sounding like SkisM that I'm bothered about. Its the technique involved.

I'll most likely have net on my pc tomorrow, can check out some of the growls I've made and tell u bout some techniques

[REAP3RMusic]

Ah that'd be awesome man thanks. I'm still in the process of learning FM8 at the moment so I'm still working with very basic patches (Sines modulating sines ^2) but any advice would be appreciated.