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Super-tip: don't use fm8

Guys, there's really no need to use formant tables. You can set a peak anywhere you like and have it result in some cool harmonics, the only reason you'd need a formant table is if you want a very specific vowel. Don't get lost in the numbers, set a peak anywhere you think it sounds cool and then sweep it around. Works just as well, check the tune in my sig for reference.

mromgwtf wrote:Super-tip: don't use fm8

Reasoning behind this 'super-tip'?

Maxxan wrote:Guys, there's really no need to use formant tables. You can set a peak anywhere you like and have it result in some cool harmonics, the only reason you'd need a formant table is if you want a very specific vowel. Don't get lost in the numbers, set a peak anywhere you think it sounds cool and then sweep it around. Works just as well, check the tune in my sig for reference.

REAP3RMusic wrote:Well I'm trying to get a 'Yay' sound.

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just a work in progress where ive used a growl i made in massive! just thought id share, to see what people think.

REAP3RMusic wrote:Could I get a page reference please mate? I sort of understand the principle behind it but when I try to apply it, I dont get anything that sounds remotely growl-y. I'm using a source sound from fm8 with a sine as the carrier modulated by another sine which is in turn modulated by a 10th formant wave. I'm running it through ohmicide and camel crusher and then using EQ 8 with a peak at 1kHz and another at roughly 250Hz. I'm modulating the peak at 250 up to 1kHz. Where am I going wrong?

search my posts in this thread i posted an image link

claudedefaren wrote:

REAP3RMusic wrote:Could I get a page reference please mate? I sort of understand the principle behind it but when I try to apply it, I dont get anything that sounds remotely growl-y. I'm using a source sound from fm8 with a sine as the carrier modulated by another sine which is in turn modulated by a 10th formant wave. I'm running it through ohmicide and camel crusher and then using EQ 8 with a peak at 1kHz and another at roughly 250Hz. I'm modulating the peak at 250 up to 1kHz. Where am I going wrong?

search my posts in this thread i posted an image link

I followed it but I got a little lost towards the end. What exactly is being automated and where?

Only the EQ is being automated at the MIDI level. Everything is either stagnant or modulated by LFO. Does that make sense?

Oh, sorry, you might have been referring to the FM8 patch.. if so, look at the envelopes I screenshotted in the document Or I guess ask further if they don't make sense

I automated the eq but I'm unsure as to the parameters of the automation. Right now the peak is sweeping the entire spectrum which is obviously not the right way to go about it. Do I just sweep between the notches? I'll post my results at some point.

Okay so after some experimentation with formant EQing, I managed to come up with this.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/uy0rmbyd8mm1zmk/Vowel.aif

Still, it sounds a bit too throaty. Anyone have any ideas how I can heavy it up a little in the same vein as this?

hookjunior wrote:HOW I USED TO MAKE GROWLS.

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literally all this patch is, is a sin modulated by another sine modulated by a formant 10 wave in fm8. after that i automated a eq with a large spike to make it more vowelly.
after that very very minimal effects. a little bit of high end reverb and maybe a mostly dry vocoder.

BRING ON THE IDEAS BRETHREN!!!!!

i send my final bass to 3 sends. lows/mids/highs and eq them seperately

https://soundcloud.com/jonathantopore/the-time

Jonathan Topore wrote:i send my final bass to 3 sends. lows/mids/highs and eq them seperately

https://soundcloud.com/jonathantopore/the-time

Hook didn't mention anything about frequency splitting/resampling.

I'd love to hear an example though, it sounds interesting

REAP3RMusic wrote:I automated the eq but I'm unsure as to the parameters of the automation. Right now the peak is sweeping the entire spectrum which is obviously not the right way to go about it. Do I just sweep between the notches? I'll post my results at some point.

right sorry, i forgot to post the macro params. I'll post the patch of that eq8 later tonight, that will be easier

Well, although I haven't gotten into experimenting with it much, I think one of the basic growls going on these days in the "dubstep" scene is simply Sine modulation with a triangle wave and 10th formant with maybe some sawtooth thrown into it, however you wanna get the sound or whatever, but I would like to add that I think a certain distortion is used in a lot of them, and I wouldn't be surprised if I found a "major" one. Ableton Live>Live Devices>Audio Effects>Frequency Shifter>Electric Distortion. change the settings a little bit. I got it at Amount: 18.3hz Rate: 50hz Width: 82.5% Frequency: -3.04 khz spread: 33.6 Hz Dry/Wet: 40.5% [wide] is on mode is [shift] shape is noise. seems to be a pretty close match to some sounds you all might have heard, and it really does well over whatever stock sound you get out of FM8 but I do have overdrive going on in FM8 as well as peak EQ in the effects tab. Alright, peace.

REAP3RMusic wrote:Hook didn't mention anything about frequency splitting/resampling.

Is he your lord or something?

mromgwtf wrote:

REAP3RMusic wrote:Hook didn't mention anything about frequency splitting/resampling.

Is he your lord or something?

Apparently I tell ya though, even though some producers sound like what you want to sound like doesn't mean everything they say is the law...

OfficialDAPT wrote:

mromgwtf wrote:

REAP3RMusic wrote:Hook didn't mention anything about frequency splitting/resampling.

Is he your lord or something?

OfficialDAPT wrote:

mromgwtf wrote:

REAP3RMusic wrote:Hook didn't mention anything about frequency splitting/resampling.

Is he your lord or something?

Apparently I tell ya though, even though some producers sound like what you want to sound like doesn't mean everything they say is the law...

Quite true but I was directly referring to the growl in his track and I wanted to hear an example of a growl using resampling to see how it compared.

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