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Is vinyl maybe a bad thing now ?

shouldn't all the physical formats have to go by now and is it holding something back?


Too many dad records getting play imo

i've been considering that, like the dubstep scene's love affair could be said to hint at a traditionalist vibe in 'underground' non bro dubstep that's held back genuine innovation musically

and also if i was playing out professionally i'd want access to the newest tunes from other people immediately and be able to play stuff i'd just made that day, without having to send something off to a dub cutting house and spend 40 bar on it, that'd just hold back selection for me

and i'm done with this ltd press silkscreen artwork £10+ press shite

all imho, do love buying records

Except any non dance music doesn't remotely suffer from those criticisms therefore they aren't particularly valid in the grand scheme of things.

Also dubstep producers being obsessed with being deep and "truheads" or whatever is killing the genre and would still be happening without vinyl releases.

Plus I don't know why you're assuming that with the existence of vinyl you can't still play stuff digitally.

hubb wrote:Is vinyl maybe a bad thing now ?

no vinyl is not a bad thing

peoples vinyl fetishism is a bad thing

don't really know if that was to me or hubb, i'm not saying burn all the vinyls, i'm saying for me i think in the future i see myself using digital, i'm mixing shit for my own fun at home of tune i first listened to 2 years ago, i can't afford to buy records to keep up with my music taste,
i go through new music very quickly, when i was doing digital for my radio show i was exploring genres that were new to me and getting tons of new music and playing it weekly and i was more enthused by it than by the 140 records i'd painstakingly collected

I don't really understood that tbf wolf.

I'm not just thinking of the fetischizing aspects of odd little records etc, but more the accumulative effect of allowing records as the 'main' format once more.
I think it means that a new generation will listen to a lot of the same stuff.

+ I can't be bothered with listening to a full (dad) album unless the situation really lends itself to it.

Not the most conscious thought process

more a peeve about how people treat music

from a djing perspective i find playing records forces me to be more selective both in what i buy and what i actually take with me to sets. i can never keep track of what little i've got on digi, always forget about stuff until i scroll through my folders. also get a bit bored playing just CDJs though serato DVS kind of stops that being as big a problem if you can afford it

that said, i'm more than happy to draw for the USB if i want to play sumat unreleased or digi-only that i really rate

That was aimed at RKM really

And if you can't listen to a full album that's weak. Also you're missing out. The death of albums would be the worst thing to happen to music. Everything's already being so devalued with digital releases the last thing I want is just a load of random tracks on my hard drive vs being able to pull out an album and listen to the whole thing. Just in the last year I can think of loads of records that work as albums and not as a collection of songs. Also I've no idea where this "everyone listening to the same thing" idea is coming from with vinyl becoming more popular. It's not like it's a particularly narrow scope of music being released

wolf89 wrote: Also I've no idea where this "everyone listening to the same thing" idea is coming from with vinyl becoming more popular. It's not like it's a particularly narrow scope of music being released

i think this is more true of dubstep than a lot of other genres atm

scene seems to be focussed around a handful of hype releases each month from my perspective

yeah i didn't have lps in mind at all, i also didn't mean that i would not play vinyls and cd/usb combined, i more had a feeling i'd want to cut dubs cos they're kinda jokes and i've till recently only mixed records but realised that i don't care

i rate your point chekov, but think my enjoyment outstrips my record collection bare fast

I'm more talking about people at home with a whole record they want to sit through and how that means a lot of people will go for the same 'heralded' doors, stevie wonder or maybe 90s hiphop records. That sort of thing. .
I think it means people become less adventurous in what they listen to, if the format is in any way 'demanding'.

There's pros and cons to both ways when djing ofcourse.

good to see you posting btw chekov

yeah it's difficult to keep up with whatever you're into atm, i usually find it catches up eventually though

it's always lovely going back to records that had made it to the back of your shelves and find they now fit exactly what you're wanting to play

hubb wrote:good to see you posting btw chekov

it seems like you might be more on about the kind of 'classics' 180g reissues you get for £25 a pop in urban outfitters et al more than vinyl in itself. i find those kinda weird too, often seems like the 'mainstream' industry trying to hop onto the vinyl resurgence and cash in

yeah bun those fancy reissue hip hop albums as well that give u some shit bonus tracks and cost like 40 quid haha

yeah man that's cool, i found though my dubstep collection caught up just in time for my interest to fade haha, you're probably a bigger buyer than me though

How about the in-between.
Serato. I've seen Om-Unit and Last Japan play out sets with them.
Not sure on my opinion of them tbh. It's cool that the guys are still using their vinyl mixing skills, and it means you can play out a new tune if you have it on .wav or whatever but surely they don't kick out the same quality sound a dubplate does?
That's one of the main reasons for playing a vinyl set right? The sound quality?

serato seems cool but i'm not sure i understand the point of it, is it just to keep that physical feel of mixing records?

Maybe to keep the purist label, but without having to lug around a ton of wax to a gig... not sure

If i had the moolah i'd cut dubs for new ones - but its unrealistic

Generally I turn up to a rave with a bag stacked full of 12"s, then 2 USBs with new bits that didn't see a wax release, dubs or my own tunes & some get out of jail free stuff + a CD wallet of classics/some new ones for emergency

Most sets i've played in the last few months have had technicals on either the USB/CD side but then sometimes you get jumpys/feedback - it would be a fucking mission to play some sets if i was a 'vinyl-only' bredda, but I undoubtedly enjoy mixing on wax the most + countless times the 1210's have been the most reliable bit of kit in the venue

Mix & match imho

RKM wrote:yeah man that's cool, i found though my dubstep collection caught up just in time for my interest to fade haha, you're probably a bigger buyer than me though

aha yeah i've had that before, guess you just have to hope you'll be grateful for them in future! worst case scenario they might be worth sumat in a year or two

re serato, i guess it's more for when you find that vinyl suits your mixing style best but you have digi-only stuff you wana play in sets. does seem like a lot of effort to use by itself though when you have USB-ready CDJs so easily available now, probably best used with a mixture of vinyl & dvs