Our world may be a giant hologram

[Motorway to Roswell]

the same shoddy nonsense everytime they are asked for proof it makes them seem closed minded and all the more absurd.

This applies to everything.

[lloydnoise]

lloydnoise watch alex collier interview
and tell me if you think he is lying/insane

there's just too many people saying this stuff that are not IMO insane or liars, it's pretty easy to tell when someone is lying i think

also as you mentioned every ancient culture references them

theres hundreds of witness accounts on the internet of people encountering reptilians, more often than not underground, mining, etc

also the accounts of people seeing them on acid/dmt, and sleep paralysis

theres an interview transcript of a suuposed security guard at an underground military base in dulce, new mexico, where there was military and reptilian co-operation, who has since gone missing

there's just so much stuff out there, that it becomes more and more crazy to not think they exist in my opinion

also this video, i'm not saying its a reptilian, just that if nature can produce something as fucked as that, then why can't it produce reptilians, which are supposed to look very similar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j599Ce1ky0

I watched the Alex Collier interview. Not sure what to make of it but I can't make up my mind on a handful of witness statements.

The internet is full of 'evidence', stories and testimonials. Pick a subject that is questionable, linked to ancient mythologies, see how much 'evidence' you can find about it online (witches, fairies, fucking paedophile bigfoot). Now see how much of that 'evidence' is from established well founded sources.. Probably none. Why is that? Is it because they are trying to cover it up? Or is it more likely that it is not real and doesn't deserve attention.
Modern news is founded on big scoops, it's how it makes money. You think that if we had known about an alien presence on earth for x amount of years it wouldn't have been blown apart by the news? Or do they only report on what they are allowed to report on? If so why are they often the sounding board for anti-corruption stories or government scandal? Or maybe all those stories are just smoke screens to stop us learning the real truth?
It's really odd that you guys get caught up in this weird world. Don't get me wrong i've spent hours watching UFO videos on youtube, googlevideo films of Illuminati etc. I don't believe 99% of it but it's very interesting (mainly because it tells us about the human need for mystery and the want to fight battles that we have made up in our heads).

The video you posted is a newborn baby with a terrible skin condition. It is well documented. It's actually offensive to cite this as proof because "if nature can produce something as fucked as that, then why can't it produce reptilians, which are supposed to look very similar".
Well, nature produces... REPTILES. They look really fucking similar to REPTILIANS. Our bizarre imaginations want to make people out of everything, to anthropomorphise everything we see because in a way it makes us feel more comfortable. That pooor baby is not proof, none of those glichy news anchor videos are proof, nothing David Icke has found in over 10 years of rigorous investigation is proof, no one has ever offered up ANY actual proof of this mad idea.
There is NO PROOF. Prove me wrong

[hackman]

Or is it more likely that it is not real and doesn't deserve attention

more likely people don't want to admit it

You think that if we had known about an alien presence on earth for x amount of years it wouldn't have been blown apart by the news?

so you actually believe that the government would tell us if it was in contact with alien beings? and that it wouldn't reap the benefits to get secret military technology that makes them all powerful

It's actually offensive to cite this as proof

did i say it was proof?

[magma]

Reptilian imagery in hallucinations and other culture could be explained by the discovery that we have an inate fear of certain creatures - most notably snakes. If you show a child most predators at an early age, it won't be scared - but almost all humans recoil from reptiles... most likely because they posed a more subtle threat to us than big, loud, roaring mammals... you need to recognise a snake from it's look, not it's size.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23484661/

Obviously it's not a full-proof explaination, but it suggests a reason why our psyche might be "preoccupied" with reptilian forms.

I have to say I'm a little sceptical of the videos... if only because they're digital videos on the internet... nobody really knows what processing has gone on before they reached your desktop, do they? Although it could just be the effect of uploading a direct recording of Fox News to YouTube, it's perfectly feasible that another process could've been used along the way.

Also, on those videos you posted, the hair and clothing are partially affected around the region of the face. When you encode video, faces are very likely to get artifacts because they move so quickly and subtley, sometimes the encode doesn't keep up.... it's the same reason why streaming something like football is so much worse than streaming normal TV online - there's a lot more going on for the video encode/decode to keep changing (they don't rewrite the picture totally for each frame which is how they gain efficiency), so it gets blurry, artifacty and choppy.

Those patterns are remarkably reptillian and I'm not going to flat out say "you're mental" or "that's NOT true", but I can think of several fairly plausible reasons for it before even getting into conspiracy theories...

[parson]

invoking occam's razor it is about 1000% more likely that they are lizard people than selective codec distortion.

[parson]

there are a lot more reasons to believe in these dudes than just this video. problem is people dismiss every shard of evidence with whatever paradigm protecting software they've got installed, and nothing ever amounts to anything in their minds.

[james fox]

ah yes, crazymotion.net - my first port of call for rigorously peer-reviewed scientific analysis.

as opposed to swallowing everything from official sources

sorry, i was bored and being a tnuc

might get back in this thread later, i see it is still going on

[danoldboy]

[dreamizm]

I am open-minded... but reeeeeeally!????

Some nutters in this thread and I feel bad for how this must be affecting your perception and interaction with the world and people you meet.

David Icke makes some intelligent points but this doesnt mean you have to swallow the whole package, use your reason and logic to pick through everything rather than being spoon-fed a whole belief system.

My theory on Icke and the reptiles is that he made/makes these claims for one of three reasons:

(a)Publicity stunt - draws more people into his (other) work and/or increases his profile and income;

(b)He is being metaphorical/using symbols, and perhaps making another deeper point with regard to authority and how we are controlled; or

(c)He is an agent of misinformation/the reptile claims are being used to discredit his other points either consciously or without his say-so


...of course there is also (d)he is correct.

But, like Lloyd, I would like some verifiable proof to support this that doesn't defy my sense of logic/reason.

[lloydnoise]

(b)He is being metaphorical/using symbols, and perhaps making another deeper point with regard to authority and how we are controlled; or...

This

I've always felt people that took the Bible too literally 'didn't get it'. it's a bunch of stories to help people relate to a morale code that underpins our society, why can't Icke be the same? Do the same people that truly believe in the Reptilian theory believe the majority of the feats and miracles in the Bible?

[dreamizm]

(b)He is being metaphorical/using symbols, and perhaps making another deeper point with regard to authority and how we are controlled; or...

This

I've always felt people that took the Bible too literally 'didn't get it'. it's a bunch of stories to help people relate to a morale code that underpins our society, why can't Icke be the same? Do the same people that truly believe in the Reptilian theory believe the majority of the feats and miracles in the Bible?

Get me.

For a group of ppl that are constantly looking for hidden meanings in everything (conspiracy theorists, Icke followers etc) it is shocking how literal they can be on their own doorstep.

[deamonds]

i dont get the 1st post, so am I meant to be looking at the world from a different angle? who is holding the card? if they are reading this, move it so the hologram changes, im bored now.

[Motorway to Roswell]

My view on it is I don't know so I try to consider every view.

[alien pimp]

wasn't icke mi5?
i think he still is and he's in to discredit the freedom movement from inside
i can't believe this thread is in the reptilian dead end too

[lloydnoise]

wasn't icke mi5?
i think he still is and he's in to discredit the freedom movement from inside
i can't believe this thread is in the reptilian dead end too

All because Mr Parson posted in the wrong thread

wait is that emoticon a rept....

[abelard]

yes, the banks and the rich are colluding to defraud the masses in any way possible, western countries' foreign policies are indeed designed around long term goals of strengthening oil reserves and preserving the status quo in which they exist. this is just capitalism out of control and a sad indictment of human nature. it is not necessary to hypnotise you through your television to achieve this, you're stupid enough already.

[james fox]

it is not necessary to hypnotise you through your television to achieve this, you're stupid enough already.

who are you addressing here, precisely?

[abelard]

it is not necessary to hypnotise you through your television to achieve this, you're stupid enough already.

who are you addressing here, precisely?

i'm quite stoned were you oneof the people who believe in monsters?

[james fox]

it is not necessary to hypnotise you through your television to achieve this, you're stupid enough already.

who are you addressing here, precisely?

i'm quite stoned were you oneof the people who believe in monsters?

no.

[parson]

it really is funny how transparent many of y'all are about being really upset about the idea of being fundamentally wrong about everything in the world. GRRR! MAD!!