Anyone think that arabic/islamic countries would be

[kay]

Load of rubbish, there's more Jews in Europe than there is in Israel which is a tiny little country not much bigger than Wales. Indeed outside of Israel and New York I think London is home to more Jews than anywhere else. But just suppose they did for arguments sake, how are they going to get around the British nukes, there's several subs at undisclosed locations at any point in time ready to launch several megaton nukes? After America and Russia we're the third most nuclear armed country in the world. France has nukes, Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, and Turkey have a joint nuke sharing policy and keep passing their warheads around so it is impossible to know where their nukes or at anyone time. A nuclear strike against Europe would be suicide.

Well, you don't actually use nukes to blow other nukes out of the sky - it gets a bit messy. Better off using conventional missiles and stuff. So it's not a case of getting around British (or whoever's) nukes. It's more a case of getting one through the barrage of antimissile defense. But, one is all you'd need to get through to cause major damage. It'd be suicide, yes, because they would never have sufficient antimissile defense to deal with the entirety of Europe's retaliatory nuclear arsenal. But the premise here was that it was a last "FUCK OFF" before they got wiped out anyway. So suicide wouldn't necessarily even enter into the equation.

[fuagofire]

and borgorre is israeli lol (bad joke)

Haha I'm aware of this. I was not surprised. lol

I LOVE JEWS THO

i have no problem with jews, just israelis
anyone who lives in israel and allows what happens to go on is just as bad as the politicians and soldiers in my book

Do you actually know anyone from israel?

[firky]

Well yeah, I didn't mean using nukes to blow their nukes out of the sky. I mean what our or anyone's response would be as soon as they detected a nuke coming their way.

I keep thinking of Dr. Strangelove, brilliant film.

[hackman]

i went to school with a kid who had israeli blood and often went to israel
had many an argument with him

[particle-jim]

i went to school with a kid who had israeli blood and often went to israel
got bullied by him

maybe this is why you hate isreal

[hackman]

hahahahhha how incredibly clever of you

[particle-jim]

hahahahhha how incredibly clever of you

lol, way 2 sarcasm

[hackman]

LOL sarcasm LOOOOOOL

[phrex]

So many people want to convince us to hate somebody. Hate Americans. Hate Israelis. Hate Palestinians. Hate Iranians. Hate Christians. Hate Muslims. Hate terrorists. Hate peaceniks. Hate drug users. Fuck it all... it's so fucking negative. I've absolutely adored most humans I've ever met.

...hate your wife...

[ahier]

I wonder why people feel the need to be quite so afraid of everything?

because we have been conditioned to be afraid of everything from birth, particularly the generation that are 21 or younger

[particle-jim]

LOL sarcasm LOOOOOOL

lolollololollololooollollolloolllolololocaust

[danoldboy]

Chomsky and Dershowitz debate Israel and Palestine

[uncle bill]

I wonder why people feel the need to be quite so afraid of everything?

because we have been conditioned to be afraid of everything from birth, particularly the generation that are 21 or younger

That's an interesting observation. I've got no idea if it's true or not but there definitely seems to be a lot of paranoia from younger web users. I thought they just smoked too much.

What's the thinking behind your comment? Is it that people who've spent most of their childhoods stuck indoors with computer games and chat rooms instead of interacting in the real world likely to have less empathy and confidence in other people's motives?

Sorry to derail the thread - just curious.

[hackman]

younger web users referred to me?
it's not paranoia, paranoia is when your afraid, there's nothing to be afraid of, it's just how it is
all my threads are ever about it spreading awareness, take it if you want, leave it otherwise, they've never been about spreading fear, if you feel that way it's probably cos your paranoid yaself

fear conditioning only works on the closed minded

[uncle bill]

younger web users referred to me?

Nah, I've got no idea what age you are. It was just a general observation.

You need to stop thinking everyone's out to get you, mate!

[hackman]

i don't
though that was paranoid lol

[firky]

I wonder why people feel the need to be quite so afraid of everything?

because we have been conditioned to be afraid of everything from birth, particularly the generation that are 21 or younger

being closer to thirty than i am to twenty i think i am qualified to say that is a massive sweeping negative generalisation that is a load of rubbish.

[Genevieve]

Westerners should, wherever possible, encourage peaceful solutions in the region. Humans killing humans is never good, no matter why they've been driven to it - the important thing is to stop them being driven to it, certainly not hanging out on the Internet encouraging more people to take innocent lives!

Neo-conservatism doesn't work. Neither the USA nor any other Western nation is responsible for forcing 'peace and democracy' onto the rest of the world by disregarding the sovereinty of another nation.

The Western world is a corporatist neo-liberal cesspool. We are not the moral compass of the civilized world and we should not meddle with issues that do not concern us because history has proven, time and time again, that when Western governments meddle with the Middle East, Western and Middle Eastern civilians have to pay the price. Cue back to September 11 in the year 2001 (the Taliban mentioned Western interference in the Middle East as the primary cause of 911, fast forward a few weeks when the USA started its nation building campaign in Aghanistan, which failed).

The only reason why the Palestinians are weak is because Westerners are there -- who are feared (and rightfully so) by most of the Middle East. End all Western interference and you'll have Israel's nuclear weapons versus a fuckload of Middle Eastern countries willing to help the Palestinians. In other words? A war no one can win and thus, a war no one will start. Western interference has only prolonged the conflict and caused numerous civilians, in London, Spain and the USA and all over the Middle East to die.

[kay]

Westerners should, wherever possible, encourage peaceful solutions in the region. Humans killing humans is never good, no matter why they've been driven to it - the important thing is to stop them being driven to it, certainly not hanging out on the Internet encouraging more people to take innocent lives!

Neo-conservatism doesn't work. Neither the USA nor any other Western nation is responsible for forcing 'peace and democracy' onto the rest of the world by disregarding the sovereinty of another nation.

The Western world is a corporatist neo-liberal cesspool. We are not the moral compass of the civilized world and we should not meddle with issues that do not concern us because history has proven, time and time again, that when Western governments meddle with the Middle East, Western and Middle Eastern civilians have to pay the price. Cue back to September 11 in the year 2001 (the Taliban mentioned Western interference in the Middle East as the primary cause of 911, fast forward a few weeks when the USA started its nation building campaign in Aghanistan, which failed).

The only reason why the Palestinians are weak is because Westerners are there -- who are feared (and rightfully so) by most of the Middle East. End all Western interference and you'll have Israel's nuclear weapons versus a fuckload of Middle Eastern countries willing to help the Palestinians. In other words? A war no one can win and thus, a war no one will start. Western interference has only prolonged the conflict and caused numerous civilians, in London, Spain and the USA and all over the Middle East to die.

Again, Genevieve is spot on.

[hackman]

yeah Genevieve talkin a lot of sense