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moif wrote:I'll play Vinyl out because as much as it's about the music it's also about putting a show on at the end of the day. People want interaction, not some beirdy weirdo hunched over a laptop.

Thats why Rane came out with the TTM57! I've been gigging with it for 2 years and it has completely changed the way I DJ. I used to be a vinyl only DJ (I worked a a record shop and got mad discounts ) but when I realized you could use serato without looking like you are checking your email then I was sold. Combined with the fact I can hook my padkontrol up to add even more control, in addition to the inbuilt sample player and effects, I'd say i'm much more creative now...

At the end of the day, DJing is really only about getting people to dance so it doesnt matter what you use. Another reason I love serato is because my music collection has skyrocketed from around 1500 vinyl to 40 gig's of mp3's of every genre (most 320's as well ). I tend to like to play a bit of everything and buying a really diverse collection on vinyl was too expensive.

shnyde wrote:yeah but DJing should be 50/50 on selection AND skill, what skill does it take to mix on a laptop? press the synch button.

I'm sure tho with more and more people using laptop sets it's the punters who are losing out, think how fat it is when someones tearing it up on the decks, you can hear the sick mixing and see them sifting through their record box, cueing up etc. it's live!

You can use a computer to emulate what a vinyl DJ does, but Ableton Live is more than that. It specifically plays to the computer's strengths, rather than trying to copy another media. You can do some amazing stuff with Live.

An example of this was Kode9 and Spaceape's set at the Hyperdub 5th birthday night. Kode9 kept using little loops and sounds over already existing tracks, such as the little hi-hatty thing from the intro of his 'Skeng' remix. I kept on thinking he was teasing 'Skeng' in but it never came.

I think it will be a sad day when I can't go in a record shop and browse the shelves, it will be sad when there is no where to go get dubs cut and so for those reasons I feel I have to use vinyl without people's support it will die out..

markle wrote:

UFO over easy wrote:All the ableton sets I've heard have lacked danger. Just not very exciting. Brup.

soon we will all be dancing in a room with robots playing our music.

The future is way more exciting now that i know this

^^haha +1, sounds good to me

I still much prefer the feel of vinyl as you can feel the vibration of the sound wave on the vinyl as you DJ making much easier when sctratching and mixing IMO.

I did however recently purchase Torq and as a Hip Hop DJ it has enabled me branch out to playing dubstep, DNB and house
plus... it means I can now play all those hard to find or near impossible to find hip hop tracks. I stick to the vinyl control option so I guess I'm not turning my back on vinyl completely

joenice wrote:Here's the real question....

Are you really a "dj" if you show up to a gig with a thumb drive? No dubs? No vinyl? No cds?

that's disappointing....regardless of who it is.

Yes I suppose that word is technically not appropriate.

Data Jockey?

Good read. this debate is a lot like analog vs digital production. the benefits of digital in this case is mainly the convenience and affordability but also the complexity you can achieve with mixes. Apart from the cultural appeal of vinyl, i think the reason i like it is because i dont feel like i need to do anything complex in a mix, im confident in all the music i have (i wont be buying anything that i feel the need to edit). and also mixing on vinyl forces you to really get to know your records, its just a very refined process to be honest

joenice wrote:
that's disappointing....regardless of who it is.

wurd.

you damn kids get off my lawn!

Im all for the use of using Traktor. It allows me to play my own songs and other peoples dubplates (given to me of course) without needing to get it cut.

The one thing I do hate is the screen starers. Ones who can beatmatch to save their life and relies on the screen to help their mix. I always set up my stuff, and put Traktor out of reach/sight, and usually on the ground on my crate. All I want is the ability to play mp3's on turntables... none of the other fluff.

I'm all about vynil. Call me elitist, i'm kind of. I can see someone mixing dubstep and all techno things with new technologies, it really makes sense. Even if i still prefer the sound of vynil and the fact that the guy really looked after the tracks he's playing. But i can't help myself laughing and wanting to punch the dj in the nose when i hear "Sex Machine", "Rapper's Delight", and classics like that played out of Serato... Funk, Soul, Hip Hop, Reggae, Dub, Dancehall are meant to be played in vynil. I have no problems with big dj's who travel a lot that don't want to carry big bags of vynils and don't want to damage their back so they chose Serato etc because you know they have a big collection at home, a real personal collection.

Vynil for life!!!

Its that age old debate, my personal preferance is vinyl why?

- sound quality
- the vinyl itself
- i love the feel of cueing up vinyls
- and i like riding the pitch

i have used cdjs before and in my eyes if i saw cd-dj mixing at a club I would have no problem with it.
I've tried serato and scratch its pretty good, but I'd prefer to use CDJ's if i had to choose because either way you'll still mixing 320's or wav, so the sound quality would be the same right? (correct me if im wrong)

with the usb stick, I can see why people would see it as a problem, but isn't just the same with using a cd?
you still use the jogweel the same and its a 320/wav, just stored in a different medium.
As much as I love vinylIi do reckon some of the big guys should start going digital, because for the majority of people starting to become interested in dubstep or anyother particular type of music only get exposure to the producers who release on beatport and other sites in similiarity.
and if you look at the top 10 in beatport.. well in my humble opinion its quite a poor reflection of the diversity of dubstep and the BEST tunes around.. (not taking anything away from the ppl on the top 10)

MP3-J?

I can def. have a good time even if they're just checking their email up there.

But vinyl is an investment and shows how much time, energy they put into putting a tune
in their bag.

^^^ innit.

Apart from any other arguments, I do find it kind of mad how many people talk about wanting a show when they go to see a DJ, or how mp3 DJs aren't interesting enough to watch, though. I mean, fundamentally we're talking about watching someone play records - if the visual spectacle of someone putting records on a record player is a big part of your evening, you might want to find somewhere with better music.

It's kind of funny how we rebuild the old 'real music' snobberies that were originally directed at dance music as soon as we've got over them. Like the way that 15 years ago, making music with a computer was 'cheating' and real musicians played proper instruments. But now using presets on your computer is 'cheating' and real musicians build up thier own sounds from scratch. Or 15 years ago, playing other peoples records made you basically a human jukebox in a lot of people's eyes - but now playign other people's records is a breathtakingly skillful artform, provided you do it with actual vinyl...

The only thing that really matters is the sound coming out of the speakers