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mks wrote:Bump

Them my boyyyys.

i can def see something in that music.

been listenin to that stuff before i knew about dubstep and before the whole footwork label came along...

my friends and i used to goof around about it and produce jukeish songs when we wre drunk... 10 min time limit and shit

was funny

with the years ive learned to appreciate it for what it really is... it has more then potential, it IS doing something... try n play some at ur local party once everyone's drunk..

howse wrote:cajmere - percolator is the starting point, thats no secret. DJ Deeon and DJ Slugo are precursors to juke. Musical history is vital in understanding a genre, but i personally prefer all the footwerk stuff because of how fucking weird it can be. The fact that the genre has evolved, essentially isolated, to this point is fascinating stuff.

UK gave the world jungle/dnb but juke/footwork is the american take on 150-160

Is that the Deeon who use to play at I Love Techno? thought he was about Ghetto Booty, not Footwork.

hutyluty wrote:how do you keep it interesting is what i want to know- i can make about 1 and a half minutes and then the vocal sample makes me want to kill myself

case in point

Soundcloud

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look at Addison Groove I guess. Keep the bars changing but keeping the main groove going helps I guess.

serox wrote:

howse wrote:cajmere - percolator is the starting point, thats no secret. DJ Deeon and DJ Slugo are precursors to juke. Musical history is vital in understanding a genre, but i personally prefer all the footwerk stuff because of how fucking weird it can be. The fact that the genre has evolved, essentially isolated, to this point is fascinating stuff.

UK gave the world jungle/dnb but juke/footwork is the american take on 150-160

Is that the Deeon who use to play at I Love Techno? thought he was about Ghetto Booty, not Footwork.

Deeon came before footwork existed. He is probably one of the many godfathers of juke (including: slugo / 313 mechanics / clent / starski and clutch / nephettes) and most of the godfathers played what we would consider to be both footwork and ghettotech. They didn't really differentiate beyond the dance. Although there were subtleties that separated juke / ghettotech on the whole they are very similar at that point. Things have changed recently.

That being said deeon is on juke trax (as well as teh defunct databass and twilight). I think that says it all.

wow 9 years since this one ...

Basically from people like Tyree Cooper, Lil Louis, Paris Mitchell, Armondo, Chip came DJ Deeon, DJ Milton, DJ Funk, Jammin Gerald, Eric Martin, Paul Johnson and the Dance Mania. Ghettohouse massive. It was all trax tho stilll...from Jack Trax, Acid Trax onto Ghettohouse (still called trax)...from there came the evolution to juke where everything sped up. Still trax, people like Rashad, Spinn, Clent, RP Boo, Poncho, Gantman and Traxman defined the sound. Then the new school is DJ Manny, DJ Earl, DJ Rolow, DJ Frost, DJ Lupe etc.

The music sped up as the dancers became more competitive. The music has largely been based on the dancers in recent years. Then there's the more Jukey, party based music. That shit can be commersh (samples, remix/edits) or straight up, original masterpieces. Touring has changed the sound palette a little too. Rashad for example is crossing into boundaries footwork has never entered...all the main Ghettotekz are tho.

LITCITYTRAX wrote:Basically from people like Tyree Cooper, Lil Louis, Paris Mitchell, Armondo, Chip came DJ Deeon, DJ Milton, DJ Funk, Jammin Gerald, Eric Martin, Paul Johnson and the Dance Mania. Ghettohouse massive. It was all trax tho stilll...from Jack Trax, Acid Trax onto Ghettohouse (still called trax)...from there came the evolution to juke where everything sped up. Still trax, people like Rashad, Spinn, Clent, RP Boo, Poncho, Gantman and Traxman defined the sound. Then the new school is DJ Manny, DJ Earl, DJ Rolow, DJ Frost, DJ Lupe etc.

The music sped up as the dancers became more competitive. The music has largely been based on the dancers in recent years. Then there's the more Jukey, party based music. That shit can be commersh (samples, remix/edits) or straight up, original masterpieces. Touring has changed the sound palette a little too. Rashad for example is crossing into boundaries footwork has never entered...all the main Ghettotekz are tho.

Yeh but then you could say Tyree came from Larry Laven. Each were doing their own thing and moving things forward. I always considered Trax a straight up house label like DJ international. Everything I own on Trax is House / Acid....

Anyone got any interviews with like the modern juke and footwork artists where they're asked about the UK scene and dubstep? The similarities between juke and dubstep and jungle are pretty crazy when you consider they both evolved like.. relatively isolated from each other.

Genevieve wrote:Anyone got any interviews with like the modern juke and footwork artists where they're asked about the UK scene and dubstep? The similarities between juke and dubstep and jungle are pretty crazy when you consider they both evolved like.. relatively isolated from each other.

i dont see it

Genevieve wrote:Anyone got any interviews with like the modern juke and footwork artists where they're asked about the UK scene and dubstep? The similarities between juke and dubstep and jungle are pretty crazy when you consider they both evolved like.. relatively isolated from each other.

I cannot see how it is isolated at all. Artists around the world have been following the UK since the late 80s (in EDM) as far as I know and vice versa. UK has been at the forefront of it with Acid House/Rave, Jungle, DnB, Garage and Dubstep. People have been playing each others music and then doing their own thing so its no wonder it has gone the way it has imo.

serox wrote:

Genevieve wrote:Anyone got any interviews with like the modern juke and footwork artists where they're asked about the UK scene and dubstep? The similarities between juke and dubstep and jungle are pretty crazy when you consider they both evolved like.. relatively isolated from each other.

I cannot see how it is isolated at all. Artists around the world have been following the UK since the late 80s (in EDM) as far as I know and vice versa. UK has been at the forefront of it with Acid House/Rave, Jungle, DnB, Garage and Dubstep. People have been playing each others music and then doing their own thing so its no wonder it has gone the way it has imo.

I would say the world looked at detroit in the late 80s... and saw the birth what would later become ghettotech and (tons of other shit). Having worked with the guys from twilight and databass (juke trax) in the late 90s, they were selling lots of records overseas. So it got around.

collective wrote:

serox wrote:

Genevieve wrote:Anyone got any interviews with like the modern juke and footwork artists where they're asked about the UK scene and dubstep? The similarities between juke and dubstep and jungle are pretty crazy when you consider they both evolved like.. relatively isolated from each other.

I cannot see how it is isolated at all. Artists around the world have been following the UK since the late 80s (in EDM) as far as I know and vice versa. UK has been at the forefront of it with Acid House/Rave, Jungle, DnB, Garage and Dubstep. People have been playing each others music and then doing their own thing so its no wonder it has gone the way it has imo.

I would say the world looked at detroit in the late 80s... and saw the birth what would later become ghettotech and (tons of other shit). Having worked with the guys from twilight and databass (juke trax) in the late 90s, they were selling lots of records overseas. So it got around.

Acid Trax was from Chicago as far as I know? Clubs like Garage Paradise (?) and the Warehouse I think? they were just doing their thing following on from Disco. Detroit was doing their version of Hip Hop and calling it Electro in the 80s imo. Only other thing I can think Detroit was famous for was people like the Electrifying Mojo (playing the likes of Kraftwerk) who was playing on the radio. He was one of the main artist who influenced a young Juan Atkins who went on to make some genre later known as Techno imo.

I may be wrong tho. I thought Ghetto Techno and Ghetto Booti came much later?

serox wrote:

Genevieve wrote:Anyone got any interviews with like the modern juke and footwork artists where they're asked about the UK scene and dubstep? The similarities between juke and dubstep and jungle are pretty crazy when you consider they both evolved like.. relatively isolated from each other.

I cannot see how it is isolated at all. Artists around the world have been following the UK since the late 80s (in EDM) as far as I know and vice versa. UK has been at the forefront of it with Acid House/Rave, Jungle, DnB, Garage and Dubstep. People have been playing each others music and then doing their own thing so its no wonder it has gone the way it has imo.

Sure, but DJ Spinn is the result of what was happening in Chi-town and Detroit, growing out of those techno and house scenes, as much as a guy like V.I.V.E.K is clearly from like.. the whole jungle tradition in the UK. And I said relatively isolated. Obviously they didn't live in a bubble or anything and there's always been a back and forth between the Midwest, Berlin and London. But I doubt that what these guys are doing was the result of them listening to El-B in 2003. Hell, they've never even namedropped the guy. And in all those docs, you don't hear any of them say 'oh word I was bumping mad garage and jungle back in 2001'. They're always going back to Cajmere and shit.

serox wrote:
Acid Trax was from Chicago as far as I know? Clubs like Garage Paradise (?) and the Warehouse I think? they were just doing their thing following on from Disco. Detroit was doing their version of Hip Hop and calling it Electro in the 80s imo. Only other thing I can think Detroit was famous for was people like the Electrifying Mojo (playing the likes of Kraftwerk) who was playing on the radio. He was one of the main artist who influenced a young Juan Atkins who went on to make some genre later known as Techno imo.

I may be wrong tho. I thought Ghetto Techno and Ghetto Booti came much later?

Paradise Garage was in New York and was the club that Garage was named after. Just like House was named after the Wherehouse in Chicago.

Juan Atkins early cuts as Cybotron were full on Electro. Have you ever heard Clear or Cosmic Cars? This was early '80's.

I first heard Ghetto Tech in the mid '90's via DJ Assault's Straight Up Detroit Shit mixtapes.

serox wrote:

collective wrote:

serox wrote:

Genevieve wrote:Anyone got any interviews with like the modern juke and footwork artists where they're asked about the UK scene and dubstep? The similarities between juke and dubstep and jungle are pretty crazy when you consider they both evolved like.. relatively isolated from each other.

I cannot see how it is isolated at all. Artists around the world have been following the UK since the late 80s (in EDM) as far as I know and vice versa. UK has been at the forefront of it with Acid House/Rave, Jungle, DnB, Garage and Dubstep. People have been playing each others music and then doing their own thing so its no wonder it has gone the way it has imo.

I would say the world looked at detroit in the late 80s... and saw the birth what would later become ghettotech and (tons of other shit). Having worked with the guys from twilight and databass (juke trax) in the late 90s, they were selling lots of records overseas. So it got around.

Acid Trax was from Chicago as far as I know? Clubs like Garage Paradise (?) and the Warehouse I think? they were just doing their thing following on from Disco. Detroit was doing their version of Hip Hop and calling it Electro in the 80s imo. Only other thing I can think Detroit was famous for was people like the Electrifying Mojo (playing the likes of Kraftwerk) who was playing on the radio. He was one of the main artist who influenced a young Juan Atkins who went on to make some genre later known as Techno imo.

I may be wrong tho. I thought Ghetto Techno and Ghetto Booti came much later?

I never said anything about Acid Trax, I said Juke Trax (which may be in chicago but is own and ran by godfather from detroit). Ghetto Tech came about in the early 90s. Pre-94.

I find it funny you're downplaying Detroit, arguably one of the most influential cities in electronica. Outside of chicago and detroit and later berlin what cities do you hear people describing music like? London style? Nah... people use chicago and detroit as descriptors for a type of sound. Juan was just a part of the triumvirate that created techno (with saunderson and may).

detroit is notorious for many sounds at large

the motown sound
the detroit rap sound
the detroit tech sound..

nobody can argue on that..

Genevieve wrote:Anyone got any interviews with like the modern juke and footwork artists where they're asked about the UK scene and dubstep? The similarities between juke and dubstep and jungle are pretty crazy when you consider they both evolved like.. relatively isolated from each other.

Check the DJ Spinn and DJ Rashad lecture at RBMA:
http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/lect ... -city-boom

Disco Nutter wrote:

Genevieve wrote:Anyone got any interviews with like the modern juke and footwork artists where they're asked about the UK scene and dubstep? The similarities between juke and dubstep and jungle are pretty crazy when you consider they both evolved like.. relatively isolated from each other.

Check the DJ Spinn and DJ Rashad lecture at RBMA:
http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/lect ... -city-boom

OOoh thanks :0 that was pretty interesting.

mks wrote:
Paradise Garage was in New York and was the club that Garage was named after. Just like House was named after the Wherehouse in Chicago.

Juan Atkins early cuts as Cybotron were full on Electro. Have you ever heard Clear or Cosmic Cars? This was early '80's.

I first heard Ghetto Tech in the mid '90's via DJ Assault's Straight Up Detroit Shit mixtapes.

Damn thought both were in Chicago! cool.

Didnt Electro in Detroit come before Ghetto Tech tho?