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olly wrote:

garethom wrote:

olly wrote:These are your opinions, not everyone's. Your not right and everyone else wrong. mmmkay?

Exactly the same for you, dude.

yes but I'm not belittling other peoples opinions. I don't think everything I say is correct, i acknowledge that its MY OPINION.

if you didn't think that what you are saying is correct

then you wouldnt be saying it at all

lol. how can opinions be correct?

olly wrote:lol. how can opinions be correct?

'correctness' is an analytical proposition and therefore only exists in the mind of one who conceives of it

capo ultra wrote:'correctness' is an analytical proposition and therefore only exists in the mind of one who conceives of it

where did you get that from?

You are saying he is human but I and many others would disagree. Human doesn't just mean a physical description IMO.
anyway, fuck it, we clearly completely disagree about this. I personally hope he is never ever let out of prison ever and that he is kept alone in a small room with no windows and absolutely minimal human contact for the rest of his life.

yoowan wrote:100% agree with noam here, making excellent points mate

if there is even the smallest chance of reform and rehabilitation (which there always is) then the opportunity must be taken

Yeah he made a mistake and deserves a second chance, get a grip mate.

People living in a pure fantasy world on here.

you're putting words in my mouth

he has a 21 year sentence which is a hell of a long time

in my view it is morally better for society to attempt to rehabilitate and reform this scum so that he may see the errors in his ideology and actions, rather than simply ignoring what happened by indefinite solitary detention or by death penalty

while it is unlikely he well ever change, there is a chance.

and if it doesn't work then he'll stay locked up no doubt. but at least an attempt was made to make this person a better human

But why does he deserve that chance?

Rehabillitation is a good idea, to an extent. But come one, this guy took it too far.

it's not about breivik getting a second chance

breivik is a terrorist who wanted to radicalise norway with his actions
the bedrock of the norwegian justice and penal system is not of revenge but of reform and rehabilitation

instead of raising pitchforks and shouting for his head, they see an incredibly fucked up human being and say "how can we make this man a better person?"

death penalty wouldn't bring back those who have died
neither would a sentence of hundreds of years

the only positive outcome out of such a situation is to change the man for the better

with this sentence, norway have shown that breivik has in no way changed society- the courts have made a level headed and rational decision true to their philosophy.

they have deprived breivik of his victory and along with the possibility of rehabilitation, have allowed the possibility of a positive to emerge from the situation

I would agree with you if it were a lesser crime. The sentance he was given and having read about prisons over there, I don't think he's gonna have a particularly bad time.

by treating him like any other villain they have already defeated him ideologically

he wanted to politicse this case and failed miserably

Meh agree to disagree, could argue for hours

yoowan wrote:it's not about breivik getting a second chance

breivik is a terrorist who wanted to radicalise norway with his actions
the bedrock of the norwegian justice and penal system is not of revenge but of reform and rehabilitation

instead of raising pitchforks and shouting for his head, they see an incredibly fucked up human being and say "how can we make this man a better person?"

death penalty wouldn't bring back those who have died
neither would a sentence of hundreds of years

the only positive outcome out of such a situation is to change the man for the better

with this sentence, norway have shown that breivik has in no way changed society- the courts have made a level headed and rational decision true to their philosophy.

they have deprived breivik of his victory and along with the possibility of rehabilitation, have allowed the possibility of a positive to emerge from the situation

I really disagree with the way you look at this. Education comes before the fact, not after. This is the way society works. We have laws and deterrents and social conventions that have been in place since day dot. We educate and bring up our young with a very definite way of looking at other human beings. We don't wait until our child has killed somebody to say "Oi don't do that you scamp, killing people is wrong!"
This is just that times a thousand.
There is zero chance of him ever repenting.



Does this look like a man who has any fucking attachment to the real world to you? He is completely unhinged. At best he should be tied up in a straight jacket in a fluffy room for the rest of his life.
BTW this is a picture of him smirking and being amused by the judge's final verdict. When given the chance to speak (as prisoners are allowed before going down) he apologised to all other Ultra-Nationalists for not killing even more people and doing a "poor job of it".

I feel like we are talking about different people.

i literally dont think anymore can be said about this

attempts should be made to rehabilitate

if they fail (which they probably will) then he will still be considered a danger to society and will de detained from another x number of years

but, as i previously stated, the attempt does have to be made, otherwise breivik has ultimately won

yoowan wrote:i literally dont think anymore can be said about this

attempts should be made to rehabilitate

if they fail (which they probably will) then he will still be considered a danger to society and will de detained from another x number of years

but, as i previously stated, the attempt does have to be made, otherwise breivik has ultimately won

Not really, Breivik wasn't shooting people over laws on prison sentencing

noam wrote:

capo ultra wrote:'correctness' is an analytical proposition and therefore only exists in the mind of one who conceives of it

where did you get that from?

my brain innit

hugh wrote:

yoowan wrote:i literally dont think anymore can be said about this

attempts should be made to rehabilitate

if they fail (which they probably will) then he will still be considered a danger to society and will de detained from another x number of years

but, as i previously stated, the attempt does have to be made, otherwise breivik has ultimately won

Not really, Breivik wasn't shooting people over laws on prison sentencing

Breivik wanted to politicse and stir up massive media attention with the court case, which didn't happen due to norway treating him like any other villain