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and this http://texasdnb.com/crisparson/Firefox% ... 1140.1.mp3

more of clifford on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJjhIzfyt8o

the wiki entry for the disclosure project is pretty bad ass too
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Disclosure_Project

unklefesta wrote: if what he was presenting was harmless, or not true

why would the govt undergo a massive character assassination on someone?

everything being stated is that it is an elaborate government coverup. these are government officials.

Parson wrote:SETI is looking at radio waves!

Radio waves yes... for intelligent life. If aliens are so advanced they would surly be able pick up those signals.

57 cataloged species of extraterrestrials.

I have heard about giant snakes that guard secret entrances to an alien colony right under our own feet, they have also been known to crush a human with their teeth or bodies. Then we have weird aliens with reptilian/human genetic coding who also posses a human soul!

But let's not forget the "Insiders" who live in underground installations and have advanced technology enabling them to travel to various other planetary bodies in the solar system.

What complete and utter bullshit, I have read some weird stuff on the Internet but this stuff just goes to far. People who come up with this stuff are either sociopathic or fantasists.

I remember a while back some people setup a website and started telling everyone how some people who used to work for the Govt. had been on a secret mission to another planet and met aliens and what not.... of course that was found out to be fake.

I've also watched the Disclosure Project video but all they have is their word, THEY HAVE NO SOLID EVIDENCE TO SHARE WITH US.

The Disclosure Project is as fabricated as Bush's invasion of Iraq.

Maybe I should go watch this video again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq1SgXIKI3U

That harper's article has some glaring inaccuracies in it, and to me proves nothing more than that the pharmaceutical industry's main concern is it's bottom line and not the people who take the drugs or the healthcare system in general.

To me that's pretty much a given.

I see far more evidence that antiretroviral drugs are actually lengthening the lives of most HIV patients. The fact that they have some fucking evil side effects is well known.

I read about a magazine run by HIV positive AIDS dissidents that had to close as every member of its editing team died from AIDS, while not scientific evidence, that is something i tend to bear in mind.

This thread has got seeeeriously derailed btw

yeah...


I think its gone too far now

the govts will never admit to lying to us for the last 50+ years

Future Producer wrote: I've also watched the Disclosure Project video but all they have is their word, THEY HAVE NO SOLID EVIDENCE TO SHARE WITH US.

yes they do. many of them have lots of solid evidence they are willing to share if you'll look at it. most people won't even listen to them saying they have the evidence much less take any time to investigate the evidence

and if one more person says "you would think" or something equivalent then i am going to lose my shit

Future Producer wrote:

Parson wrote:SETI is looking at radio waves!

Radio waves yes... for intelligent life. If aliens are so advanced they would surly be able pick up those signals.

this doesn't even make sense. you're not exhibiting any kind of rational thinking here.

I don't think your in any position to say I'm not a rational thinker.

SETI = the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence, using radio telescopes. So aliens are so far advanced that they cannot pick up any of the signals we have sent out in to space? Or are they just ignorant?

SETI is scanning for radio transmissions and can't find any.

they are operating under the assumption that there might be some civilization like us out there sending out some signal beacon. this is entirely backwards of what is going on.

radio signals are at the bottom of the electromagnetic spectrum. if you take into consideration the amount of energy required for space travel, you would quickly realize you would need to look much higher into the electromagnetic spectrum into the higher energy frequencies such as the visible light spectrum and beyond.

search for extraterrestrial intelligence needs to be renamed to search for extraterrestrial radio signals

they aren't looking for life in any other way than radio signals

Future Producer wrote:I don't think your in any position to say I'm not a rational thinker.

SETI = the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence. Using radio telescopes. Aliens are so far advanced that they cannot pick up any of the signals we have sent out in to space?

Lay off the flaming mate, i have serious issues with his opinion on HIV, but i haven't told him he was an idiot for it. Plus radio telescopes receive radio, they don't send it out, if they are invisible to light they will not be visible with radio. I know SETI also have some kind of signalling mechanism, but the aliens he is talking about (at the moment ones i don't believe in, but i haven't seen the video) seem to be fairly hidden, so they wouldn't go responding to SETI would they?

SETI is a joke

i saw a really really big fat dude (400 lbs+) at Fry's electronics store yesterday and he was wearing a SETI @ home t-shirt

Parson wrote:i wish you could read this post from my perspective.

these things fly in formation. they react to NASA's energy experiment. they interfere with nuke launches. these are all signs of intelligence.

No, these are not.

Many things in nature exhibit formations without any kind of intelligence behind them, for example magnetic fields. I find the idea of there being a force, or something similar creating these formations that we have yet to discover and understand ALOT more plausible than intelligent life forms studying us (for some reason from near our planet, when you would have thought a highly advanced race would have developed the technology to observe us without a chance of our knowing)

Im still standing behind the God of the gaps thought on this. It appears that all the "evidence" for alien life is nothing more than paranormal events (ie things we dont understand) that CAN fit into this idea, rather than HAVE to. Its a major difference. It all seems to be based on the idea that what we know now (in terms of physics etc) is the truth. And that these events have to fit into this framework somehow. Id be much more inclined to say that our understanding of physics as a whole is entirely wrong (as has happened more times in history than anyone could care to mention) and that these paranormal events fit into a different understanding of the universe that we have yet to develop. (in my opinion this is far more likely than us just happening to be alive in the 50 year window of the course of man where we are beginning to realise we are being watched.)

Also, like anyone with your opinions on this matter you have not answered ANY of my points that call into question the evidence provided. You have just tried to make us question our own questioning (if that makes sense). Does this not ring alarm bells?

Edit: I left alone the points on interfering with nuke launches etc alone, as I personally have NO primary experience as to what would be involved with something like this. And I hasten to add that I doubt you do either.

While SETI does indeed only try to find other signals, the rest of whatever we've been broadcasting has been sending signals out since 1936 or so.
Also folks keep in mind that solid evidence is not the same as evidence which seems to be solid in a given scenario not taking many other factors into consideration (9/11 conspiracy theories anyone?)

The Wiggle Baron wrote:It appears that all the "evidence" for alien life is nothing more than paranormal events (ie things we dont understand) that CAN fit into this idea, rather than HAVE to. Its a major difference.

Word.

Just to clarify, SETI only receives. It was the Voyager missions that became the real "search".

I hate SETI too. We humans couldn't receive radio signals when we built the pyramids. Were we less intelligent then?

The Wiggle Baron wrote:

Parson wrote:i wish you could read this post from my perspective.

these things fly in formation. they react to NASA's energy experiment. they interfere with nuke launches. these are all signs of intelligence.

No, these are not.

Many things in nature exhibit formations without any kind of intelligence behind them, for example magnetic fields. I find the idea of there being a force, or something similar creating these formations that we have yet to discover and understand ALOT more plausible than intelligent life forms studying us (for some reason from near our planet, when you would have thought a highly advanced race would have developed the technology to observe us without a chance of our knowing)

Im still standing behind the God of the gaps thought on this. It appears that all the "evidence" for alien life is nothing more than paranormal events (ie things we dont understand) that CAN fit into this idea, rather than HAVE to. Its a major difference. It all seems to be based on the idea that what we know now (in terms of physics etc) is the truth. And that these events have to fit into this framework somehow. Id be much more inclined to say that our understanding of physics as a whole is entirely wrong (as has happened more times in history than anyone could care to mention) and that these paranormal events fit into a different understanding of the universe that we have yet to develop. (in my opinion this is far more likely than us just happening to be alive in the 50 year window of the course of man where we are beginning to realise we are being watched.)

Also, like anyone with your opinions on this matter you have not answered ANY of my points that call into question the evidence provided. You have just tried to make us question our own questioning (if that makes sense). Does this not ring alarm bells?

Edit: I left alone the points on interfering with nuke launches etc alone, as I personally have NO primary experience as to what would be involved with something like this. And I hasten to add that I doubt you do either.

none of what you're arguing addresses any of the evidence presented at all.

i said there is good evidence and i pointed to it and you skimmed it, dismissed it and have written up all kinds of irrelevant points. this is what happened in the AIDS thread too. i said don't respond unless you've watched the video. then tons of dudes skimmed it and started talking about all kinds of things that had nothing to do with the evidence being presented.

happens every time.

Auan wrote:

The Wiggle Baron wrote:It appears that all the "evidence" for alien life is nothing more than paranormal events (ie things we dont understand) that CAN fit into this idea, rather than HAVE to. Its a major difference.

Word.

Just to clarify, SETI only receives. It was the Voyager missions that became the real "search".

I hate SETI too. We humans couldn't receive radio signals when we built the pyramids. Were we less intelligent then?

what about the pyramids we built under the glacier in bosnia.

aliens and ufos are real.
you can say there is no evidence of them, but also there is no proof that they don't exist.
you'd have to be pretty fucking clever to know for a fact that humans are the only form of intelligent life in a potentially infinite universe...

governments lie about so much i wouldn't believe much of what they say.

keep paying your taxes and reading your bible. money is good. consume. trust your leaders. global warming is only a theory. god bless america!

if god existed he would NOT bless america!!!!