DSF-ADVANCED ?

[wirez]

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/forum

a. The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.

b. A public meeting place for open discussion.

c. A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.

just saying

I prefer the first one.

[kaiori breathe]

Uh, maybe it's just me, but I don't actually feel like I'm subjected to all that many threads that are actually about making wobble basses?

I feel the same, even when they do come up I don't understand how it could possibly annoy somebody.

[wirez]

The problem is universal and won't be solved. You can moderate as hard as you like and create as many sub forums as possible and you'll still never stop all the stupid threads. You can sticky things, but some people will just never read them, and you can try as you might to work out some kind of elaborate system of prevention when it comes to these threads, but the truth is there is no escaping them.

Nah man, in my opinion we're not really trying to stop these threads just keep them more separated from stuff that applies to users who already know how to wob wob... So it would be helpful definitely in the sense that it keeps things a little less cluttered.

If you set up a beginners thread you're going to have an even bigger problem, because while everyone likes to imagine they'd pop by and try to help, the truth is deep down most of us know we just won't when it comes down to it at the end of the day.

The way I see it, the elitist forum will have a lot less threads than the noob forum, so the noob forum will be the place to be

Even if you did manage to separate the n00b from the elite you'd still have a problem where every now and then a total idiot would get through to the higher level sub forum and ask something retarded.

Yeh... The elites talk a load of shite anyway.

Every forum/online community I've ever been a part of has the same problem as DSF does. It's not a sign the forum is dying or getting worse (as it's often declared to be). It's a completely natural part of an online community.

Personally, as this thread suggests... We're not the same as those other forums because we're trying to address it in the best way possible before acting. I bet those other forums just stick to their standard way of handling things and haven't even thought about doing something epic which could change the forum in a good way forever

There is no solution to this problem. If you even consider it a problem. To me it's just a natural state of being for any forum that is fairly impossible to combat effectively with any resource other than a degree of patience and friendliness towards the offending group.

Personally, I'm not so much seeing it as a problem that needs solving... I'm seeing it as an issue that needs addressing. LMFAO.
Nah man, what I mean is that there probably is something that can be done to separate the threads up a bit within the production forum to make things a bit easier to skim through and answer. I'd be far more inclined to answer more questions if everything was less jumbled up amongst 4/5 of the same thread/different title.

[kaiori breathe]

Well like I said I was sure somebody would disagree but I've seen this exact scenario (people whining about a certain type of thread, then people whining about the people who whine, then eventually a big thread that suggests change, then no change comes or what change that does come doesn't help) too many times in too many forums to think anything's going to change.

Dunno, maybe you'll all surprise me. We'll see.

[SunkLo]

It's not like there's only people that know nothing and people that know everything. If the noobs were separated from the Phd's, the noobs would still be able to learn from the producers above them. There's still going to be varying levels of experience and for the most part the people at the very top aren't going to be answering the questions of the people at the very bottom.

The level 1 noobs would learn how to make wubs from the level 5 noobs, while they learn how to lowpass sine wave subs from the level 10 noobs who eventually learn from the level 20 noobs that low passing a sine wave is daft useless. Level 10 noobs give level 20 noobs +rep for their help, and eventually they make it into the advanced production forum. Then they start learning from the guys a level above them and pass that info down to the guys below. All the information flows down the chain and everyone learns.

The sub forum would just help to organize threads better and would still be readable so it's not excluding anyone from knowledge. If anything it's keeping the noobs from having to read through posts on things that are way over their head. It's not a matter of "I'm a leet producer so you can't ask me questions wittle nubs HAHAHA!" It would just be a subform for more advanced topics. If you want to talk about a subject that the average to new producer wouldn't be interested in, then you go to the advanced section. If you're having a hard enough time setting up an LFO to a filter, you're not going to want to be bothered by a bunch of "techbabble junk".
It's not the "#1 secret to producing awesum traxx like Rusko but you're not cool enough to get in" section, just a division based on what level of production you're at.

It's like when you go to a store and want to know where the ankle socks are, do you call up the franchise CEO and ask him? No, he couldn't give a fuck about you and your ankle socks and it's a waste of both of your time. Instead you go talk to the pimple faced kid behind the counter or the attractive girl in aisle 2 he's staring at and ask one of them.

I don't think a basic questions section would really work, no one would post there. It already kind of exists in the production bible and most noobs neglect to read it or use the search function. "ya mate srry I culdnt be botherd to skim all dem pages of free knowledge. If you don't mind, tel me how 2 maek bangars in as few words as possibl so i dunt have to read dat much. thx"

[wirez]

DP

[wirez]

lowpass sine wave subs

I still do this, but only because my 'sine' samples have a little saturation on them, but I prefer to use them than a normal sine because they have that bit of harmonic distortion..

[deadly_habit]

just to be a dick
sine waves have 0 harmonics

[wirez]

just to be a dick
sine waves have 0 harmonics

I know man, I don't know why I said anything I just made myself look a tit.... But if I look at my sine sample through an intense analyser it has harmonic content all the way up the scale, I figure it's either where the samples have been taken from vinyl or something and it's just noise, or it's had some saturation added to it to create virtual harmonics...

Either way, I like the sound of these samples but don't want the high end stuff in there, taking up valuable frequencies.

[deadly_habit]

just to be a dick
sine waves have 0 harmonics

I know man, I don't know why I said anything I just made myself look a tit.... But if I look at my sine sample through an intense analyser it has harmonic content all the way up the scale, I figure it's either where the samples have been taken from vinyl or something and it's just noise, or it's had some saturation added to it to create virtual harmonics...

Either way, I like the sound of these samples but don't want the high end stuff in there, taking up valuable frequencies.

yea it just mystifys me people seem to think a reg filter or eq cutting out unwanted will add harmonics
fuck im on aim atm man hit me up lol

[SunkLo]

haha you like those samples because they have a bit of saturation and harmonics on top of the fundamental, but then you go filter it out

[HALP]

and if you just stop using those samples you can add the exact amount of saturation you want

and i filter my subs ass well btw, hi pass with hi res and lowpass with added peak as well
gives a bit of boost on certain parts, mostly the ground note that you want to hit a bit harder etc

[wirez]

haha you like those samples because they have a bit of saturation and harmonics on top of the fundamental, but then you go filter it out

I'm not saying I filter them all out dude, just the high unnecessary ones.

[deadly_habit]

can i advert goldbaby packs one more time?
for the lazy heads

[SunkLo]

haha you like those samples because they have a bit of saturation and harmonics on top of the fundamental, but then you go filter it out

I'm not saying I filter them all out dude, just the high unnecessary ones.

Yeah I figured. They're probably sines sampled from an analog synth. What range do you usually keep?

[jameshk]

I haven't really said much on this thread. But here's my 2 cents:

No matter what forum I've been on, be it a guitar forum, a dubstep forum or a drum and bass forum, they have all had the exact same problem. People whining about a certain type of thread. In Guitar forums it was people whining about n00bs posting shit like "how do I sound like Kirk Hammet" in the Drum and bass forums it was people whining about threads asking how to make Reese basses and here it's wobbles.

The problem is universal and won't be solved. You can moderate as hard as you like and create as many sub forums as possible and you'll still never stop all the stupid threads. You can sticky things, but some people will just never read them, and you can try as you might to work out some kind of elaborate system of prevention when it comes to these threads, but the truth is there is no escaping them.

If you set up a beginners thread you're going to have an even bigger problem, because while everyone likes to imagine they'd pop by and try to help, the truth is deep down most of us know we just won't when it comes down to it at the end of the day. We'll try once or twice a week to go in and give some advice, and then it'll dwindle to once a month, then to once every two months, then we'll forget the beginner forum even exists. When it comes to crunch time people never do what they said they will. So you'll end up with a beginners forum where they don't get enough help, get disillusioned and leave. Which ultimately is even worse for the forum. Even if you did manage to separate the n00b from the elite you'd still have a problem where every now and then a total idiot would get through to the higher level sub forum and ask something retarded. So the problem still isn't solved.

If you split it the other way and create an advanced forum you've got the same problem, just under a different guise. The best solution is to stop getting so upset by wobble threads and the likes.

Every forum/online community I've ever been a part of has the same problem as DSF does. It's not a sign the forum is dying or getting worse (as it's often declared to be). It's a completely natural part of an online community. /b/ has been complaining that 'newfags' are ruining it since day one, Ultimate-guitar.com has been complaining that all 'the cool old-cigarettes left because it was too strict' and that 'there are too many penis threads' (although that's kinda to be expected on a forum about guitar), doa is still complaining about 'reese threads' and dsf will always complain about wobble threads.

There is no solution to this problem. If you even consider it a problem. To me it's just a natural state of being for any forum that is fairly impossible to combat effectively with any resource other than a degree of patience and friendliness towards the offending group.

/\ Just my thoughts on the issue. You're all welcome to disagree with me.

+1

You said exactly what I wanted to, the difference is I couldn't be fucked to type it. Thank you sir.

[deadly_habit]

i look at it as forced evolution, def been some great suggestions here but matter of if they will work
shit is always subjective
ie: rusko as a good example
people bashed his lp pre hearing anything, now same people love some of the tunes
he's doing britney spears and pop and not first time he's done it and people hating
this one has been cained on my local college and fave station and is pretty damn good imo
give it a chance before bashing it

[Depone]

Back to the topic ffs!

[deadly_habit]

Back to the topic ffs!

[Depone]

Back to the topic ffs!

is that....

Tim exile!?