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Craggle wrote:All these arguments and stuff just remind me of Punk, I used to get really protective cause it was mine, no one else knew about it apart from a few others, and when it became trendy I used to fucking hate it, now I'm a bit older I realise its all stupid. Same thing is happening to Dubstep ! who cares along as you know what Dubstep is then its ok really, allow all the beef alllll day on the forum !

Jeeeez, considering punk started in the 70s, how old are YOU!?

haha im 17, now i realise i sound bare stupid !!! i was proper into it though, loved bands like the Adicts, sham 69, then all the old school hardcore bands like discharge, black flag and so on, then got in reggae through the clash and such then into dub... then dubstep ! ... still think i make a valid point though

black flag is old school? now i feel old

haha yeah man, been around for like 30 years i think, even that seems crazy to me !!

it just goes to show how much of this boils down to simple perception... to me, bands like the clash, sex pistols, ramones, etc are old school and bands like black flag, NOFX, propagahndi are new school and bands like green day and blink 182 are just blah

I don't generally moan about it on forums because I know that's not very productive, but I can see why people who've been into dubstep for a while get pissed off about filth / brostep / wobble becoming synonymous with the scene.

Personally, I kind of found dubstep in the mid 00's, at a time when, apart from a few isolated pockets of resistance, the jungle / dnb scene seemed to have been completely taken over by formulaic big room friday night bangers and kill-ur-parents 'dark' stuff. Dubstep was a total breath of fresh air because it was musically radical and varied and constantly changing and because it was a very cool and relaxed scene - people standing by the speakers with a spliff in one hand and a red stripe in the other, eyes closed, getting deep to amazing music.

And I think a lot of people who got into dubstep at that time got into it because it had not too many arseholes and wasn't dominated by generic bangers - there were anthems and ruff heavy tunes but they didn't all sound the same.

And now it feels like a lot of the people getting into dubstep are turning it into exactly the sort of scene that we originally got into it to escape from. Which feels like it's taking the piss a bit. Like, it's not enough to just ignore the stuff that you don't like and go and find the stuff you do like, but you also have to accept that in a couple of years, the people who like the stuff that you don't like will come along and make the stuff that you do like just as bad as the stuff that you don't like.

Anyway, yeah, and all that, I'm not expecting it to change or anything but I think that explains why some people are quite so hostile to wobble tunes...

slothrop wrote: And I think a lot of people who got into dubstep at that time got into it because it had not too many arseholes and wasn't dominated by generic bangers - there were anthems and ruff heavy tunes but they didn't all sound the same.

And now it feels like a lot of the people getting into dubstep are turning it into exactly the sort of scene that we originally got into it to escape from.

Stop the negativity you hater!!



Seriously, I think there's nothing wrong with the anger when these things happen. Though you could always react with shrugs because it's just a normal genre-lifetime-span-thing, but then again, it still does piss off!

I remember the post Dubstep Warz period when there was big of discussing about learning from history - not repeating dnb's mistakes. It felt like this time a scene was conscious about how to sustain that golden age. So what went wrong? I think original players has alot of to do with it - some of the biggest players started to support too overpowerlingly jumpup/filth/wobble made by ex-dnb crowd. If this stuff didn't got support from original crowd, maybe there would be two scenes: original dubstep scene and wobble scene? Though I'm not judging original players who started to support this stuff, no, they've dedicated their life for creating this sound, so they have right to make some proper money from it.

HISTORY REPEATING IT SELF.

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Black Flag Anyone into minor threat?

fractal wrote:black flag is old school? now i feel old

BF are definitely old school old man

bumbaclart, is that scream records

dj wayne 94 wrote:HISTORY REPEATING IT SELF.

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is that what used to be known as "scream records" in southgate?

edit: it was all filmed at lucky spin, my bad

dj $hy wrote:You know what I'm talking about, "all the noise", "sounds like cats fighting" and so on remarks...

I swear I never read anything along the lines of "oh another repetitive sub" or "another tune with ... space & feeling" but I could be wrong....

Why is that?

Discuss... Nicely!

you created the worst thread of all time.

dj wayne 94 wrote:HISTORY REPEATING IT SELF.

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If I'm not mistaken, that's Lucky Spin Records down Holloway Road, down the road from me, (& Monroe Studios upstairs, many a classic Jungle tune was created there). Man!! I remember begging Trace for the latest white labels back in the day!! It's a bloody cab office now, go figure.

charliefoy wrote:Black Flag Anyone into minor threat?

Hell yes, i remember buying there first demo tape !!! haha

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fractal wrote:black flag is old school? now i feel old

I hear Henry Rollins is working with Rusko to do a remix of "Liar"

dj wayne 94 wrote:

dj $hy wrote:You know what I'm talking about, "all the noise", "sounds like cats fighting" and so on remarks...

I swear I never read anything along the lines of "oh another repetitive sub" or "another tune with ... space & feeling" but I could be wrong....

Why is that?

Discuss... Nicely!

you created the worst thread of all time.

Nice one Wayne lol! If you ask me I got what I wanted, some interesting opinions but sadly when the kids get off school the topic goes a lil funky eh?! lmao

lohan wrote:

dj wayne 94 wrote:HISTORY REPEATING IT SELF.

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If I'm not mistaken, that's Lucky Spin Records down Holloway Road, down the road from me, (& Monroe Studios upstairs, many a classic Jungle tune was created there). Man!! I remember begging Trace for the latest white labels back in the day!! It's a bloody cab office now, go figure.

OMG, Jungle Hits Volume 1! Shit man that was around the time I started mixing! I bought that plus two other albums n that was me for months, spinning the same 20 tunes! Mad seeing OG Gangstar being made right there, tuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuune! Thanks for the vid, I'm gonna sample it! ;P

charliefoy wrote:Black Flag Anyone into minor threat?

Love Minor Threat.

The one point I'd make about the transition from "deep" to "hype" is that a few years ago when there seemed to be less of the aggressive midrange jump up stuff, I'd never heard anyone say that they didn't like dubstep only that they did loved it or they'd never heard of it. I only began to hear people express hatred for the genre when yoiyoiyoistep became so prevalent.