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pkay wrote: I had to pay for every penny of my six figure education. I really have no sympathy for anyone complaining about school costs. Go do manual labor during the summers and save up your cash.

clifford_- wrote:

cityzen wrote:

clifford_- wrote:you can blame all this on thatcher.

glad some people in this thread know the score.

clifford_- wrote:

scspkr99 wrote:I haven't read the whole thread as it's moved a bit quick but any comment from London's esteemed mayor yet?

hes on his way back from holiday.

i reckon itll kick off in wales next, you can blame all this on thatcher.

hugh wrote:

pkay wrote:

Mr Hyde wrote:

pkay wrote:

hugh wrote: The positives that come out of this stuff? These events reaffirm the populace's belief that if we are truly not happy about something, then we can quickly start tearing shit up and make a real point. Noone remembers some pussy who campaigned with a little banner. Everyone remembers that guy who threw a fucking fire extinguisher off the roof during the student riots though. Get my point?

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

I'm sure in 20 years they'll be building monuments to dumbass who through fire extinguisher. When people visit England it will be a landmark tourists will come visit. There will be a small portion of a stone building with a student hurling a fire extinguisher.... the plaque will read "in the early 21st century during a student riot this guy through a fire extinguisher off a roof"

are you fucking joking? No ones going to remember that dumbass

History remembers those who brought about actual change.... and change is never done the easy way. If a riot actually changed anything in the government, people would riot daily. It doesn't. History remembers those who took the hard route. Those who suffered for what they believe in. The civil rights marches, Tianeman square, Iranian Revolution, The Monday Demonstrations, history remembers this... not fire extinguisher guy.

Not really, pretty much every country and its government and society has been founded on violence, the USA wouldn't be what it is today without war of independence and the civil war. Perhaps Tianeman square would have worked if more people got behind the protesters and been violent towards the government.

Fair enough, peaceful protest also makes some changes sometimes if it can sway the opinion of the leaders, but it often gets ignored until you can get stuff like the million man march and they get worried about losing votes......but you also can't write off violent protest as being useless- its definitely works.

Violence only works if you're seeking a revolution. Seeking change and seeking a revolution are two entirely different things.

I think most brits would agree that they enjoy a life better than 90% of people on the planet earth yes? You don't want a revolution in your country. You don't want to destroy your public care systems, you don't want to get rid of nationalized health care, you don't want to get rid of the portions of government that function in a proper way. You are wanting change within the current structure and therefor your approach should be entirely different.

The US revolution was just that. A revolution. We wanted to entirely breakdown the british governing of our colonies and start a government in contrast to the previous government. We wanted nothing to do with the existing system. Two completely different scenarios.

If you want to seek change within an established government, you must abide by that governments rules and use the avenues given to you to produce change. If you want a revolution then fucking revolt. But I find a hard time believing that in 2011 the civilian sector of the UK is ready to sacrifice their lives for this cause.

I'm sorry but blanket statements like "violence only works for revolution but not change" are not correct. I don't know what gives you the authority to make a statement like that but I think you would struggle against any proper historian in making it stand.
And I certainly wouldn't say that Brits enjoy life more than 90% of the world. I would say that Brits that do say and think that are a bit ignorant and don't really understand what brings happiness. Go anywhere around the Mediterranean, anywhere around pretty much any tropical country in the world, anywhere where a 9-5 office job is not the done thing, and you will instantly see that people are of at least similar happiness of not happier.
Also, as a final point, making decisions on the way our own country is run should NEVER be drawn in comparison to other countries. It simply doesn't work to make political objectivism a relative thing. It has to be absolute and work under its' own merits, not the merits of other nations. So that whole 90% thing is irrelevant anyway.

"Go and do manual labour all summer."
Fucking laughable mate, theres no jobs, most companies are shrinking and laying people off and those they take on will have proper experience. I think you live in a different world to me. One where there are endless opportunities and where anything can be achieved just if you only try hard enough!
nah pal it doesn't work like that over here.

seckle wrote:

pkay wrote: I had to pay for every penny of my six figure education. I really have no sympathy for anyone complaining about school costs. Go do manual labor during the summers and save up your cash.

Cannot agree with this enough. I worked two, and for one summer, 3 jobs to pay my uni bills. I'm still paying off my school loan, and will be for another 5-8 years. No time for slackers or bullshitters expecting the govt to provide it all on a plate.

seckle wrote:

pkay wrote: I had to pay for every penny of my six figure education. I really have no sympathy for anyone complaining about school costs. Go do manual labor during the summers and save up your cash.

Cannot agree with this enough. I worked two, and for one summer, 3 jobs to pay my uni bills. I'm still paying off my school loan, and will be for another 5-8 years. No time for slackers or bullshitters expecting the govt to provide it all on a plate.

pkay wrote: Also the US unemployment rate is higher than the UK. Don't cry to me about jobs.

Mr Hyde wrote:

clifford_- wrote:

scspkr99 wrote:I haven't read the whole thread as it's moved a bit quick but any comment from London's esteemed mayor yet?

hes on his way back from holiday.

i reckon itll kick off in wales next, you can blame all this on thatcher.

Sweepstake for next place to riot. Croydon? Lewisham? Homerton? Harlesden? Kilburn?

Or if it goes out of London....Manchester.

clifford_- wrote:

pkay wrote: Also the US unemployment rate is higher than the UK. Don't cry to me about jobs.

were not talking about the states, are we?

same old same old "me me me"
look how bad we have it attitude.
fuck off.

clifford_- wrote:

Mr Hyde wrote:

clifford_- wrote:

scspkr99 wrote:I haven't read the whole thread as it's moved a bit quick but any comment from London's esteemed mayor yet?

hes on his way back from holiday.

i reckon itll kick off in wales next, you can blame all this on thatcher.

Sweepstake for next place to riot. Croydon? Lewisham? Homerton? Harlesden? Kilburn?

Or if it goes out of London....Manchester.

its already kicked off in lewisham...

pkay wrote:

clifford_- wrote:

pkay wrote: Also the US unemployment rate is higher than the UK. Don't cry to me about jobs.

were not talking about the states, are we?

same old same old "me me me"
look how bad we have it attitude.
fuck off.

you didn't read the part i quoted where he talked about how bad the job situation was in the UK did you? It was a response to his previous statement. He was implying I don't understand because the situation in his country is more dire than what I am used to. I provided a retort that proved the contrary. I do understand what it is like to have upwards of 10% unemployment.

Either read the post or don't read the post. Quit sniping little bits to fit your agenda. It makes you look like a fucking moron.

clifford_- wrote:

pkay wrote:

clifford_- wrote:

pkay wrote: Also the US unemployment rate is higher than the UK. Don't cry to me about jobs.

were not talking about the states, are we?

same old same old "me me me"
look how bad we have it attitude.
fuck off.

you didn't read the part i quoted where he talked about how bad the job situation was in the UK did you? It was a response to his previous statement. He was implying I don't understand because the situation in his country is more dire than what I am used to. I provided a retort that proved the contrary. I do understand what it is like to have upwards of 10% unemployment.

Either read the post or don't read the post. Quit sniping little bits to fit your agenda. It makes you look like a fucking moron.

i couldnt embed more than 5. you know the rules.

i find it amazing that from your ivory tower, your in a good position to comment on whats going on here.
do me a favour.

pkay wrote:

clifford_- wrote:

pkay wrote:
you didn't read the part i quoted where he talked about how bad the job situation was in the UK did you? It was a response to his previous statement. He was implying I don't understand because the situation in his country is more dire than what I am used to. I provided a retort that proved the contrary. I do understand what it is like to have upwards of 10% unemployment.

Either read the post or don't read the post. Quit sniping little bits to fit your agenda. It makes you look like a fucking moron.

cityzen wrote:Pkay, English isn't your native tongue, is it?

cityzen wrote:Pkay, English isn't your native tongue, is it?

seckle wrote:http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/0 ... riots.html

How do you stomach an 89 year old pensioner getting his barber shop looted. Wtf is wrong with people?