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Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:29 pm
by gwa
BTW Im not saying im nuetral as i smoke bare weed.
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:30 pm
by christophera
felixGash wrote:gwa wrote:So shocking shit going on in here. Major preaching from both sides of the argument.
Let people live their life how they want too. If its starting to affect you in one way or another so much that you need to complain and whine about it then you make the choice of how you want to go about getting it away from you.
To be honest there is plenty of PROS for smoking and plenty of CONS, likewise for drinking.
But everyone fucking knows the pros and the cons so why does it have to be repeated over and over.
The problem is you have people, I like to think such as myself, who might have an opinion but are willing to hear those of others and take them on board, and possibly even change their opinion.
Then you have obnoxious stnuc like Parson who believe they're right and will stop at nothing to convince you of that. They won't take on board anyone else's thoughts or feelings on the matter and will smite down anyone who argues against theirs. Bona fide arseholes.
Right, I'm actually off now.. doubt I'll have the net where I'm going but if I do..
i'm very familiar with the process of rogerian persuasion. the tactic is to make the other person feel like you a give a shit about what they are saying first. even if you've heard it a billion times and you know exactly what they're going to say the instant they start, you have to listen to the whole thing and acknowledge understanding of their perspective. then you offer your own perspective for consideration. this is how effective brainwashers work.
i know how to use psychological tricks to make people think things.
i don't want to do that though. i want people to think for themselves.
i'll present information, and call you dumb if you don't want it.
i know it won't change your thinking, but hopefully it will stir you up enough to snap out of your slumber long enough to get some new info into your brain.
i don't want people to do anything because i told em to. i want people to think for themselves. if thinking for yourself stops when somebody calls you dumb, you've got way bigger problems than me calling you dumb.
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:35 pm
by gwa
Tomity wrote:Tomity wrote:gwa wrote:Tomity wrote:I think the majority of people smoke it alongside tobacco as well. As this is unfiltered it means a lot more harm is caused.
Hardly anyone smokes it with tobacco in america. Its an english / euro thing.
Ah right. Excuse my ignorance. I really like mixing the two personally.
Does the mixing over in the UK stem from the fact that all we used to have was resin? Or is it just that its more expensive over here?
They don't perticularry know what king size rizla is, or the term rizla. They call them papers but you just don't get rizla in america (BTW I do come from leeds but i spend alot of time in minneapolis too.)
Mixing, I think people out here prefer to taste the weed not the tobacco. I've been rolling a couple of L's out here and they have all been getting hype about it, WOW NEVER SEEN SUCH A BIG JOINT BEFORE...Oh this is mixture?? Im like whats mixture? You put tobacco in it! They can get hissy, some do some dont.
If your gonna smoke pure watch your 20 bag go down the drain. I will and always prefer to smoke a nice king size over a single pure. Plus it just has ease to it.
Also
You pay for grade in america its not like england where its a straight up heres 20 quid and you can get from 2.2 to 3.2 basically, unless you know a really good dealer who will give 3.5 for 2 (I.e Like me.)
In america you say $60 dollers for an 8th of HYDRO, the price of an 8th varies on the grade of the weed. You could buy half OZ for $40 and it wont be the best weed you have ever smoked.
America and englands smoking cultures are bare different.
Its all this one puff pass shit, In england no1 plays 1BP.
Also the majority of people smoke it from a pipe (Which is what a bowl is.) I'v tried it a few times and it's nice but it doesnt have the same satisfaction of rolling a nice tight boss head.
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:36 pm
by fooishbar
ChristopherA wrote:quit being a spoon
maybe you missed the point the first time around. you think you're the ultimate arbiter of what's truth and what isn't: you have seen all that is right (which has obviously been suppressed), and everything contrary that is lies. which is literally
seconds of entertainment, but as an intelligent man, i'm sure that rational argument is based on mutual axioms, particularly around what constitutes truth. you take it as axiomatic that you're the arbiter of what's pure truth vs. propaganda and lies. others don't.
so any discussion with you has gone nowhere, is going nowhere, will go nowhere. sort of like arguing with jesus freaks. 'the bible is the ultimate truth!' 'how do you know that?' 'because it says so in the bible!' 'and why should i believe that?' 'because the bible is the ultimate truth!'.
qed.
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:37 pm
by psyolopher
Finally you are challenged Chris!
btw yes i knew what you were stating about pot!
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:39 pm
by shane
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:40 pm
by christophera
fooishbar wrote:ChristopherA wrote:quit being a spoon
maybe you missed the point the first time around. you think you're the ultimate arbiter of what's truth and what isn't: you have seen all that is right (which has obviously been suppressed), and everything contrary that is lies. which is literally
seconds of entertainment, but as an intelligent man, i'm sure that rational argument is based on mutual axioms, particularly around what constitutes truth. you take it as axiomatic that you're the arbiter of what's pure truth vs. propaganda and lies. others don't.
so any discussion with you has gone nowhere, is going nowhere, will go nowhere. sort of like arguing with jesus freaks. 'the bible is the ultimate truth!' 'how do you know that?' 'because it says so in the bible!' 'and why should i believe that?' 'because the bible is the ultimate truth!'.
qed.
what are you even arguing about? you don't have anything to argue with. you're just attacking me as a person.
do you "disagree" that pot makes your brain grow?
is it your "opinion" that pot doesn't prevent cancer?
this is not a matter of opinions. this is about suppressed information that goes against the rule of law being disseminated via alternative means and those who choose to rely solely on the sources that disseminate the lies that adhere to rule of law.
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:46 pm
by christophera
i said it before and i'll say it again
ChristopherA wrote:basically pot is good for you.
this thread may as well be about being addicted to organic bananas
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:54 pm
by fooishbar
ChristopherA wrote:what are you even arguing about?
your style of argument.
ChristopherA wrote:you don't have anything to argue with.
see above.
ChristopherA wrote:you're just attacking me as a person.
no, ad hominem would be something like this:
ChristohpherA wrote:if you don't taste the soup, you might be a spoon
in fact, it would be exactly that.
ChristopherA wrote:do you "disagree" that pot makes your brain grow?
is it your "opinion" that pot doesn't prevent cancer?
i don't disagree with you because i don't have an opinion on either. what i'm saying is that your habit of attacking everyone who disagrees with you as some kind of brainwashed sheep is pretty daft. for someone who claims to be ludicrously intelligent, your method of argument seems to be primarily influenced by four-year olds. for all your talk of peer-reviewed articles, it's descended into 'no, you're stupid'.
ChristopherA wrote:this is not a matter of opinions. this is about suppressed information that goes against the rule of law being disseminated via alternative means and those who choose to rely solely on the sources that disseminate the lies that adhere to rule of law.
again, while you're the sole arbiter of what's truth and what's propaganda, argument is pointless. interesting articles though.
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:56 pm
by christophera
it is not my style of argument
if i am arguing i argue.
if i am presenting new and exciting information that is met with prejudiced dismissal, i usually give up arguing and resort to ad hominem. people learn this about me quickly.
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:00 pm
by psyolopher
We have a winner!
I must certainly say that some pot users, smoke to turn off thier brains!
Others use it to do the opposite!
I am a psychonaut, thus i use it for exploration!
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:01 pm
by sqwol
chris, do you have more articles about pot making your brain grow? I do find this interesting, yet the article posted did not convince me that anything was proven. There were a lot of ' may, might, could ' and so on...
People once believed the world to be flat, so I'll give anything a chance.
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:04 pm
by christophera
Sqwol wrote:chris, do you have more articles about pot making your brain grow? I do find this interesting, yet the article posted did not convince me that anything was proven. There were a lot of ' may, might, could ' and so on...
People once believed the world to be flat, so I'll give anything a chance.
watch this dean ornish video. he sites his source
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dean ... _fate.html
its only 3 mins
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:06 pm
by sqwol
gracias
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:10 pm
by fooishbar
ChristopherA wrote:it is not my style of argument
if i am arguing i argue.
if i am presenting new and exciting information that is met with prejudiced dismissal, i usually give up arguing and resort to ad hominem. people learn this about me quickly.
personally i think that's pretty weak and really fucking irritating, but at least you're honest about it.
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:10 pm
by psyolopher
ChristopherA wrote:Sqwol wrote:chris, do you have more articles about pot making your brain grow? I do find this interesting, yet the article posted did not convince me that anything was proven. There were a lot of ' may, might, could ' and so on...
People once believed the world to be flat, so I'll give anything a chance.
watch this dean ornish video. he sites his source
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dean ... _fate.html
its only 3 mins
If i smoke less?
(lets say about, 3 sigarettes a day)
Change my lifestyle....to a super healthy one!
I wont get impotent? =D YAY!!!!
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:11 pm
by christophera
sorry for irritating people who ignore my information and are content with prejudiced dismissal that keep em safe n comfy in their lies
in the future i'll offer them a backrub
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:11 pm
by bellybelle
ChristopherA wrote:Sqwol wrote:chris, do you have more articles about pot making your brain grow? I do find this interesting, yet the article posted did not convince me that anything was proven. There were a lot of ' may, might, could ' and so on...
People once believed the world to be flat, so I'll give anything a chance.
watch this dean ornish video. he sites his source
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dean ... _fate.html
its only 3 mins
this was the citation:
bellybelle wrote:Cannabinoids promote embryonic and adult hippocampus neurogenesis and produce anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects.
J Clin Invest. 2005 Nov;115(11):3104-16. Epub 2005 Oct 13.
From the Abstract: The hippocampal dentate gyrus in the adult mammalian brain contains neural stem/progenitor cells (NS/PCs) capable of generating new neurons, i.e., neurogenesis. Most drugs of abuse examined to date decrease adult hippocampal neurogenesis, but the effects of cannabis (marijuana or cannabinoids) on hippocampal neurogenesis remain unknown. This study aimed at investigating the potential regulatory capacity of the potent synthetic cannabinoid HU210 on hippocampal neurogenesis and its possible correlation with behavioral change. We show that both embryonic and adult rat hippocampal NS/PCs are immunoreactive for CB1 cannabinoid receptors, indicating that cannabinoids could act on CB1 receptors to regulate neurogenesis. This hypothesis is supported by further findings that HU210 promotes proliferation, but not differentiation, of cultured embryonic hippocampal NS/PCs likely via a sequential activation of CB1 receptors, G(i/o) proteins, and ERK signaling. Chronic, but not acute, HU210 treatment promoted neurogenesis in the hippocampal dentate gyrus of adult rats and exerted anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects. X-irradiation of the hippocampus blocked both the neurogenic and behavioral effects of chronic HU210 treatment, suggesting that chronic HU210 treatment produces anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects likely via promotion of hippocampal neurogenesis.
AND
In The Neuroscientist vol 13, no. 2, 109-114 (2007)
"The Endocannabinoid System and Neurogenesis in Health and Disease"
From the abstract: The endocannabinoid system exerts an important neuromodulatory function in different brain areas and is also known to be involved in the regulation of neural cell fate. Thus, CB1 cannabinoid receptors are neuroprotective in different models of brain injury, and their expression is altered in various neurodegenerative diseases. Recent findings have demonstrated the presence of a functional endocannabinoid system in neural progenitor cells that participates in the regulation of cell proliferation and differentiation. In this Research Update, the authors address the experimental evidence regarding the regulatory role of cannabinoids in neurogenesis and analyze them in the context of those pathological disorders in which cannabinoid function and altered neuronal or glial generation is most relevant, for example, stroke and multiple sclerosis. NEUROSCIENTIST 13(2):109—114, 2007.
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:13 pm
by christophera
bellybelle wrote:ChristopherA wrote:Sqwol wrote:chris, do you have more articles about pot making your brain grow? I do find this interesting, yet the article posted did not convince me that anything was proven. There were a lot of ' may, might, could ' and so on...
People once believed the world to be flat, so I'll give anything a chance.
watch this dean ornish video. he sites his source
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dean ... _fate.html
its only 3 mins
this was the citation:
bellybelle wrote:Cannabinoids promote embryonic and adult hippocampus neurogenesis and produce anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects.
J Clin Invest. 2005 Nov;115(11):3104-16. Epub 2005 Oct 13.
From the Abstract: The hippocampal dentate gyrus in the adult mammalian brain contains neural stem/progenitor cells (NS/PCs) capable of generating new neurons, i.e., neurogenesis. Most drugs of abuse examined to date decrease adult hippocampal neurogenesis, but the effects of cannabis (marijuana or cannabinoids) on hippocampal neurogenesis remain unknown. This study aimed at investigating the potential regulatory capacity of the potent synthetic cannabinoid HU210 on hippocampal neurogenesis and its possible correlation with behavioral change. We show that both embryonic and adult rat hippocampal NS/PCs are immunoreactive for CB1 cannabinoid receptors, indicating that cannabinoids could act on CB1 receptors to regulate neurogenesis. This hypothesis is supported by further findings that HU210 promotes proliferation, but not differentiation, of cultured embryonic hippocampal NS/PCs likely via a sequential activation of CB1 receptors, G(i/o) proteins, and ERK signaling. Chronic, but not acute, HU210 treatment promoted neurogenesis in the hippocampal dentate gyrus of adult rats and exerted anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects. X-irradiation of the hippocampus blocked both the neurogenic and behavioral effects of chronic HU210 treatment, suggesting that chronic HU210 treatment produces anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects likely via promotion of hippocampal neurogenesis.
AND
In The Neuroscientist vol 13, no. 2, 109-114 (2007)
"The Endocannabinoid System and Neurogenesis in Health and Disease"
From the abstract: The endocannabinoid system exerts an important neuromodulatory function in different brain areas and is also known to be involved in the regulation of neural cell fate. Thus, CB1 cannabinoid receptors are neuroprotective in different models of brain injury, and their expression is altered in various neurodegenerative diseases. Recent findings have demonstrated the presence of a functional endocannabinoid system in neural progenitor cells that participates in the regulation of cell proliferation and differentiation. In this Research Update, the authors address the experimental evidence regarding the regulatory role of cannabinoids in neurogenesis and analyze them in the context of those pathological disorders in which cannabinoid function and altered neuronal or glial generation is most relevant, for example, stroke and multiple sclerosis. NEUROSCIENTIST 13(2):109—114, 2007.
but that's just your opinion ;]
Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:16 pm
by bellybelle
ChristopherA wrote:bellybelle wrote:ChristopherA wrote:Sqwol wrote:chris, do you have more articles about pot making your brain grow? I do find this interesting, yet the article posted did not convince me that anything was proven. There were a lot of ' may, might, could ' and so on...
People once believed the world to be flat, so I'll give anything a chance.
watch this dean ornish video. he sites his source
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/dean ... _fate.html
its only 3 mins
this was the citation:
bellybelle wrote:Cannabinoids promote embryonic and adult hippocampus neurogenesis and produce anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects.
J Clin Invest. 2005 Nov;115(11):3104-16. Epub 2005 Oct 13.
From the Abstract: The hippocampal dentate gyrus in the adult mammalian brain contains neural stem/progenitor cells (NS/PCs) capable of generating new neurons, i.e., neurogenesis. Most drugs of abuse examined to date decrease adult hippocampal neurogenesis, but the effects of cannabis (marijuana or cannabinoids) on hippocampal neurogenesis remain unknown. This study aimed at investigating the potential regulatory capacity of the potent synthetic cannabinoid HU210 on hippocampal neurogenesis and its possible correlation with behavioral change. We show that both embryonic and adult rat hippocampal NS/PCs are immunoreactive for CB1 cannabinoid receptors, indicating that cannabinoids could act on CB1 receptors to regulate neurogenesis. This hypothesis is supported by further findings that HU210 promotes proliferation, but not differentiation, of cultured embryonic hippocampal NS/PCs likely via a sequential activation of CB1 receptors, G(i/o) proteins, and ERK signaling. Chronic, but not acute, HU210 treatment promoted neurogenesis in the hippocampal dentate gyrus of adult rats and exerted anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects. X-irradiation of the hippocampus blocked both the neurogenic and behavioral effects of chronic HU210 treatment, suggesting that chronic HU210 treatment produces anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects likely via promotion of hippocampal neurogenesis.
AND
In The Neuroscientist vol 13, no. 2, 109-114 (2007)
"The Endocannabinoid System and Neurogenesis in Health and Disease"
From the abstract: The endocannabinoid system exerts an important neuromodulatory function in different brain areas and is also known to be involved in the regulation of neural cell fate. Thus, CB1 cannabinoid receptors are neuroprotective in different models of brain injury, and their expression is altered in various neurodegenerative diseases. Recent findings have demonstrated the presence of a functional endocannabinoid system in neural progenitor cells that participates in the regulation of cell proliferation and differentiation. In this Research Update, the authors address the experimental evidence regarding the regulatory role of cannabinoids in neurogenesis and analyze them in the context of those pathological disorders in which cannabinoid function and altered neuronal or glial generation is most relevant, for example, stroke and multiple sclerosis. NEUROSCIENTIST 13(2):109—114, 2007.
but that's just your opinion ;]
I'm ok with that.
