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seckle wrote:

Q23 wrote:If you sell 1 million copies of a record for a major label, under a standard contract, you make the same amount of money you would have made if you pressed em all up yourself and sold 30k copies, after recouping costs. (Thats 3%) This shows what a major label pays the artist after they own your copyright. Major label contracts are more about fame and pushing your name, then pushing the entire sound or your scene.

i'd agree to that, but it is different depending on what kind of deal you work out. a publishing deal can be very different than a distribution deal, or a production deal. even more so if you were smart and own all your masters (like jay z and rockafella, for example). if you do, then there is a gigantic longterm money advantage to signing with a major. especially if you were lucky to go gold or platinum. if you did, then with a major label deal, thats money that even your grandkids will get.

if you don't own your masters or have potential sample clearance issues, then its a tricky decision to make.

mangos! wrote:in terms of creative vision and music industry business sense, C&S are so consistently so far ahead of the curve in comparison to most of their peers let alone the wastemen on here, that it is just comical to read through so much trite shyte criticism from so many insignificant little scrotes

like they don't know what they're doing. like you know better

hahahahahahahaha

big up the supporters and big up C&S on a whole string of massive achievements

Deadly Habit wrote:

Piston wrote:

Deadly Habit wrote:

Piston wrote:

Deadly Habit wrote: enlighten me kind sir, what tunes do you consistently listen to without getting stale provided a life changing experience for you that get cained on your local dancefloor

are fsol dance music?

or boards of canada?

also...dead can dance

electronic yes, written for a dancefloor i'd say no
when i say dance music i'm thinking dj friendly catered to get some drunk/drugged up heads shaking their asses

so no jungle changed your life then?

metalheadz era stuff or even old hardcore...

and papua new guinea is a dancefloor tune albeit a combination of meat beat manifesto & dead can dance...

i also dance to venetian snares and consider his music to have changed my life...

don't get me wrong i know where you're coming from and i love a lot of jazz, classical, folk, hip-hop, reggae/ska, afrobeat etc and consider much of it to be life changing in a different way to dance music but i still would say my life has been impacted upon hugely by electronic music..

i'm saying the disposable dancefloor fodder like c&s pendulum clipz etc stuff that don't get me wrong i enjoy, but like i've stated before doesn't really have a shelflife and would hardly consider to be life affirming or changing
i mean shit even i write some shit like that, just i consider dance records to be just for that and wouldn't classify a lot of the stuff you listed as that
and yea electronic music has changed my life a great deal just not dancefloor stuff

dubstee wrote:

It's quite simple.

1) Lowest common denominator music is popular.
2) Lowest common denominator dubstep (e.g. Chase & Status with vocals on top, which is presumably what will be coming out through Mercury) gets more people into dubstep.
3) More and more lowest common denominator dubstep gets made by people trying to emulate the popularity of C&S, thus lowering the overall quality of dubstep.
4) Cycle repeats itself until lowest common denominator dominates the genre completely.

Q23 wrote:

dubstee wrote:

It's quite simple.

1) Lowest common denominator music is popular.
2) Lowest common denominator dubstep (e.g. Chase & Status with vocals on top, which is presumably what will be coming out through Mercury) gets more people into dubstep.
3) More and more lowest common denominator dubstep gets made by people trying to emulate the popularity of C&S, thus lowering the overall quality of dubstep.
4) Cycle repeats itself until lowest common denominator dominates the genre completely.

This is exactly why MCs in America are rapping over unprocessed 808 beats. Guys with full on gold mines in their teeth are singing R&B with autotune, and if you throw this explanation at TV, why reality TV is the number one genre now.

Ever see the movie Idiocracy?

http://www.negativland.com/albini.html

There's no need to skew the figures to make the scenario look bad, since real-life examples more than abound. income is bold and underlined, expenses are not.

Advance: $ 250,000
Manager's cut: $ 37,500
Legal fees: $ 10,000
Recording Budget: $ 150,000
Producer's advance: $ 50,000
Studio fee: $ 52,500
Drum Amp, Mic and Phase "Doctors": $ 3,000
Recording tape: $ 8,000
Equipment rental: $ 5,000
Cartage and Transportation: $ 5,000
Lodgings while in studio: $ 10,000
Catering: $ 3,000
Mastering: $ 10,000
Tape copies, reference CDs, shipping tapes, misc. expenses: $ 2,000
Video budget: $ 30,000
Cameras: $ 8,000
Crew: $ 5,000
Processing and transfers: $ 3,000
Off-line: $ 2,000
On-line editing: $ 3,000
Catering: $ 1,000
Stage and construction: $ 3,000
Copies, couriers, transportation: $ 2,000
Director's fee: $ 3,000
Album Artwork: $ 5,000
Promotional photo shoot and duplication: $ 2,000
Band fund: $ 15,000
New fancy professional drum kit: $ 5,000
New fancy professional guitars [2]: $ 3,000
New fancy professional guitar amp rigs [2]: $ 4,000
New fancy potato-shaped bass guitar: $ 1,000
New fancy rack of lights bass amp: $ 1,000
Rehearsal space rental: $ 500
Big blowout party for their friends: $ 500
Tour expense [5 weeks]: $ 50,875
Bus: $ 25,000
Crew [3]: $ 7,500
Food and per diems: $ 7,875
Fuel: $ 3,000
Consumable supplies: $ 3,500
Wardrobe: $ 1,000
Promotion: $ 3,000
Tour gross income: $ 50,000
Agent's cut: $ 7,500
Manager's cut: $ 7,500
Merchandising advance: $ 20,000
Manager's cut: $ 3,000
Lawyer's fee: $ 1,000
Publishing advance: $ 20,000
Manager's cut: $ 3,000
Lawyer's fee: $ 1,000
Record sales: 250,000 @ $12 =
$3,000,000
Gross retail revenue Royalty: [13% of 90% of retail]:
$ 351,000
Less advance: $ 250,000
Producer's points: [3% less $50,000 advance]:
$ 40,000
Promotional budget: $ 25,000
Recoupable buyout from previous label: $ 50,000
Net royalty: $ -14,000
Record company income:

Record wholesale price: $6.50 x 250,000 =
$1,625,000 gross income
Artist Royalties: $ 351,000
Deficit from royalties: $ 14,000
Manufacturing, packaging and distribution: @ $2.20 per record: $ 550,000
Gross profit: $ 7l0,000

The Balance Sheet: This is how much each player got paid at the end of the game.

Record company: $ 710,000
Producer: $ 90,000
Manager: $ 51,000
Studio: $ 52,500
Previous label: $ 50,000
Agent: $ 7,500
Lawyer: $ 12,000
Band member net income each: $ 4,031.25


The band is now 1/4 of the way through its contract, has made the music industry more than 3 million dollars richer, but is in the hole $14,000 on royalties. The band members have each earned about 1/3 as much as they would working at a 7-11, but they got to ride in a tour bus for a month. The next album will be about the same, except that the record company will insist they spend more time and money on it. Since the previous one never "recouped," the band will have no leverage, and will oblige. The next tour will be about the same, except the merchandising advance will have already been paid, and the band, strangely enough, won't have earned any royalties from their T-shirts yet. Maybe the T-shirt guys have figured out how to count money like record company guys. Some of your friends are probably already this fucked

dubstee wrote: Not sure about Benga/Skream, but I guarantee you Mala would turn down Mercury.

pozzoli wrote: I've always found their music to be a bit generic to be honest. I can't think of anything original about any of their tunes, they just seem to hit the right tone at the right time with a high production standard.

Plastician wrote:well done to them. They've earned it. So much hate on this forum, its quite sad.