The 'help me make this sound!' thread

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:00 am

Serox wrote:Have offered some help with quite a few on here, hopefully someone can help me.

I have been trying to create that oldskool "wump" bassline that is very common in Garage. Think EL-B and all the Ghost crew. They were making the sound a long time ago so it is nothing fancy at all. I think it is a couple of standard waves with automation. I thought it was opening a filter but I cannot get it. Maybe it is something else?

at 01:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwXH3w3U ... re=related

at 00:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZZNoWKv ... re=related

at 01:28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuFs77WD ... re=related

Saws, Squares/Triangles, played low(octave wise) / detuned - make it wobble - then turn the decay and susstain down so its just a 1 hit.

mess with cut off till sounds right.

serox · Post by **serox** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:08 am

Legendary wrote:
Serox wrote:Have offered some help with quite a few on here, hopefully someone can help me.

I have been trying to create that oldskool "wump" bassline that is very common in Garage. Think EL-B and all the Ghost crew. They were making the sound a long time ago so it is nothing fancy at all. I think it is a couple of standard waves with automation. I thought it was opening a filter but I cannot get it. Maybe it is something else?

at 01:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwXH3w3U ... re=related

at 00:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZZNoWKv ... re=related

at 01:28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuFs77WD ... re=related
Saws, Squares/Triangles, played low(octave wise) / detuned - make it wobble - then turn the decay and susstain down so its just a 1 hit.

mess with cut off till sounds right.

Good idea, is that a guess?

Wouldn't that make it sound like a reese? or is that the idea and then filtered?
I could not hear it wobbling so never thought to make it wobble and then mess with ASDF so it no longer wobbles!

What else is automated? I thought maybe the attack...

chewie · Post by **chewie** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:20 am

@ serox - this might be helpful:

http://www.vimeo.com/4588908

It's for the virus but you can use the same technique in any synth

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:21 am

Well I mean the whole idea of making it wobble and getting the ADSR of the cut off filter is to give it the sound you want but you don't want to make a wobble - you want to make a one hit bass

Its not a guess, ive done it loads

the T404 on FL is perfect for making this sound,.

serox · Post by **serox** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:35 am

chewie, thanks!

leg, thanks also. I got FL so could try that synth! Ir remember it is a very simple synth!

serox · Post by **serox** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:53 am

Chewie wrote:@ serox - this might be helpful:

http://www.vimeo.com/4588908

It's for the virus but you can use the same technique in any synth

He gets somewhere when he changes the Envelope to Negative values. is that like "Invert" on other synths?

Hope I understand exactly what he means with When he says he set the Filter Envelope to sweep the filter, is that "assign LFO to cutoff?"

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:03 am

Serox wrote:
Chewie wrote:@ serox - this might be helpful:

http://www.vimeo.com/4588908

It's for the virus but you can use the same technique in any synth
He gets somewhere when he changes the Envelope to Negative values. is that like "Invert" on other synths?

Hope I understand exactly what he means with When he says he set the Filter Envelope to sweep the filter, is that "assign LFO to cutoff?"

The filter frequency follows the shape of the envelope when either LFOs or ADSRs are assigned 'to the filter cutoff'.

You are correct in saying negative ADSRs are 'inverted', ie, they go down instead of up during the attack portion of the envelope.

serox · Post by **serox** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:07 am

The filter frequency follows the shape of the envelope when either LFOs or ADSRs are assigned 'to the filter cutoff'.

I find this confusing!

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:14 am

A synth or fx control can be moved up or down. On hardware synths, we often do this by hand. LFO's and ADSR 'envelopes' (read 'shape') move the control for us. They modulate the control up & down, hence the term modulators being used to describe LFOs, ADSRs, step sequencers etc..

Here are some common up/down movements (shapes) that LFOs provide:

ADSRs move the control in the following shape:

LFOs usually cycle repeatedly through the shape, ADSRs usually trigger once. (Sometimes LFOs can be set to trigger once only, and ADSRs can be set to loop).

ADSRs are useful when you wish to control the time a control moves up and down over the course of a single note. LFOs are useful for repeated up down movements the happen multiple times over the course of one note.

serox · Post by **serox** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:22 am

Get you, sorry had a dumb moment. I struggle sometimes to understand the theory without the buttons in front of me:)

Will give this a go when I get home and post some results later hopefully:)

narrator · Post by **narrator** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:49 pm

I'm using Massive the past while and the whole ADSR section is a little confusing. the amp envelope seems to be automatically set on Env 4 to the output but there's no filter envelope setup or none that i can see.

do you send that very same envelope to both cutoffs on filter 1 & 2?

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:56 pm

Narrator wrote:I'm using Massive the past while and the whole ADSR section is a little confusing. the amp envelope seems to be automatically set on Env 4 to the output but there's no filter envelope setup or none that i can see.

do you send that very same envelope to both cutoffs on filter 1 & 2?

That is entirely up to you. If you drag and drop the the env icon to both filter cutoff controls, then one envelope will control them. If you drag and drop a different envelope to each filter cutoff control, the envelopes will control each envelope independently...

Come on guys!

jsilver · Post by **jsilver** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:57 pm

Narrator wrote:I'm using Massive the past while and the whole ADSR section is a little confusing. the amp envelope seems to be automatically set on Env 4 to the output but there's no filter envelope setup or none that i can see.

do you send that very same envelope to both cutoffs on filter 1 & 2?

you can but you don't have to

older style synths like TS404 and Wasp XT can have the same envelope for filter as volume

you can assign any envelope you want to the filters in massive and then set them up, loop them and modulate them however you want

it's a newer style workhorse synth

e:f;b

narrator · Post by **narrator** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:07 pm

cool, cheers for that one lads.

i noticed that i never went near the ADSR envelopes in Massive at all really.
i usually used the Vanguard as my main synth for everything but liked the idea of getting into using Massive properly.

bailey-92 · Post by **bailey-92** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:24 pm

Hey guys i'm new to this forum and new to music making only had fruity loops for a few week and i'm really into Hip-Hop beats theres a certain "sound" im trying to make from the song Outta Control remix

Link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1NyXJM4o-g

The sound that stands out the most is obviously the synths im wondering how to make this in fruity loops please it doesnt have to be the same meldoy as in the song but i would like the sound to be as close as possible

Edit : the same sound is at the begining of this song too
Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JzSmrl8gpM

(its the one thats made by a violin)

Thanks in advance

Bailey

chewie · Post by **chewie** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:23 pm

Hey Bailey those are samples bro the first one is some kinda violin sample like you said the second sounds more like a combination of a timpani and a horn stab. You're probably best asking about the source of the samps over here in this forum:
http://www.futureproducers.com/forums/f ... y.php?f=55

Bit more hip hop orientated.

bailey-92 · Post by **bailey-92** » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:25 pm

Thanks for the fast reply

ill check it out now

Bailey

serox · Post by **serox** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:12 am

many thanks Chewie and Legendary!

It took me about 3 hours (stoned hours) last night but I managed to get a nice sound using the techniques you suggested!

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:19 am

Serox wrote:many thanks Chewie and Legendary!

It took me about 3 hours (stoned hours) last night but I managed to get a nice sound using the techniques you suggested!

Big ups bruv, the best thing about UKG is that most of the stuff was actually off of sample CDs and whatever - and I could of just gave you 100 different 1 hit basses but its more fun to make innit

serox · Post by **serox** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:29 am

Legendary wrote:

Big ups bruv, the best thing about UKG is that most of the stuff was actually off of sample CDs and whatever - and I could of just gave you 100 different 1 hit basses but its more fun to make innit

I do have some nice samples that I were using because I couldn't make the sound. But I just recently found it a little limiting so thought I would give it another go at trying to make it.

I have only listened on headphones and I were heavily stoned but I think I am going in the right direction now:)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6NVL5EX6

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