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no one said about doing cardio on the same day as weight trainig.

Genevieve wrote:

poquepoque wrote:Nothing could be better than outdoor running

Running is much harder on yoru recovery, especially legs, than bikes are. The muscle you're training with cardio is your heart anyway. Your heart doesn't care if it gets a workout running outside or on a cardio bike.

Yep, and reason why i prefer runnng to trainers is simplicity. I dont need to pay extr cash for unnecessary tools.
But i dont make cardio.
It will when i will drying

If you have a decent gym membership, that kind of goes out the window.

With my membership, I'm essentially training for free. The first 3 months I paid 40 euros monthly, but they exterpolate how much you pay afterwards based on how much you workout. Since I go more than 3 times per week (5, actually), I get to workout for free every month. No extra costs for tools, I can just use the cardio bike.

Hello, muscle-beachers.

I think I need to cut down on street running before I end up having a hip replacement at 35, so have been switching to a cross-trainer for cardio over the last couple of weeks... anyone have ANY IDEA how to compare the efficacy? I did 60 mins "interval training" on level 10 out of 20 yesterday, which reduced me to a ball of sweat (good sign), but it's a bit difficult to work out what sort of run that approximates...

magma wrote:Hello, muscle-beachers.

I think I need to cut down on street running before I end up having a hip replacement at 35, so have been switching to a cross-trainer for cardio over the last couple of weeks... anyone have ANY IDEA how to compare the efficacy? I did 60 mins "interval training" on level 10 out of 20 yesterday, which reduced me to a ball of sweat (good sign), but it's a bit difficult to work out what sort of run that approximates...

Run on grass/a mud path through a forest. It'll save the impacts on your joints.

magma wrote:but it's a bit difficult to work out what sort of run that approximates...

About 8 yards.

wub wrote:

magma wrote:Hello, muscle-beachers.

I think I need to cut down on street running before I end up having a hip replacement at 35, so have been switching to a cross-trainer for cardio over the last couple of weeks... anyone have ANY IDEA how to compare the efficacy? I did 60 mins "interval training" on level 10 out of 20 yesterday, which reduced me to a ball of sweat (good sign), but it's a bit difficult to work out what sort of run that approximates...

Run on grass/a mud path through a forest. It'll save the impacts on your joints.

There aren't many forests in E14... trying to do as much as possible in my building since I've only got to psyche myself up to go downstairs. Maybe biking would be better than the crosstrainer?

magma wrote:There aren't many forests in E14...

http://www.towerhamlets.gov.uk/lgnl/lei ... paces.aspx

magma wrote:trying to do as much as possible in my building since I've only got to psyche myself up to go downstairs.

Change your mindset. There are no shortcuts.

magma wrote:Maybe biking would be better than the crosstrainer?

Exercising outside is infinitely better than using one of the machines, so if can cycle outside do it.

wub wrote:

magma wrote:There aren't many forests in E14...

http://www.towerhamlets.gov.uk/lgnl/lei ... paces.aspx

Yes, I know, I live there. I don't want to run anymore. Arthritis runs in the family and I'm not pushing my luck for much longer - been running 15-20kms/week for the last 10 years and recovery is starting to get harder. I'm not trying to run a marathon (ever), this is for fitness, not bragging rights.

wub wrote:

magma wrote:trying to do as much as possible in my building since I've only got to psyche myself up to go downstairs.

Change your mindset. There are no shortcuts.

I knew I'd come to the wrong thread. I'm not trying to become a protein shake slurping iron man here, just maintain normal levels of human fitness.

wub wrote:

magma wrote:Maybe biking would be better than the crosstrainer?

Exercising outside is infinitely better than using one of the machines, so if can cycle outside do it.

Why's that? Surely raising your heart rate and getting out of breath works the same anywhere? Does fresh air make that much difference?

So does anyone know the best way of comparing two different sorts of cardio workout? Is it all about heart rate or is there more to consider?

I'm not trying to "build" or "lose" anything, just keep my heart and lungs working properly.

magma wrote:I knew I'd come to the wrong thread. I'm not trying to become a protein shake slurping iron man here, just maintain normal levels of human fitness.

Never said you were, but when you're complaining about having to go downstairs to work out it sounds like you're looking for an easy way to do things.

magma wrote:

wub wrote:

magma wrote:Maybe biking would be better than the crosstrainer?

Exercising outside is infinitely better than using one of the machines, so if can cycle outside do it.

Why's that? Surely raising your heart rate and getting out of breath works the same anywhere? Does fresh air make that much difference?

It takes more effort to move yourself and your bike outside in the real world than it would sitting on a stationary bike. Feel free to try this though...cycle 10km on a stationary bike, time how long it takes you, then try and complete 10km outside in the real world in the same time.

wub wrote:

magma wrote:I knew I'd come to the wrong thread. I'm not trying to become a protein shake slurping iron man here, just maintain normal levels of human fitness.

Never said you were, but when you're complaining about having to go downstairs to work out it sounds like you're looking for an easy way to do things.

I'm not complaining about going downstairs, I'm saying I'd rather use the gym downstairs rather than trek to a forest (or more likely, a park), like you suggested. When I didn't have an onsite gym I didn't have any problem with going further (used to do laps of Regents Park), but it seems silly not to take advantage of having a gym in my building seeing as it's one of the reasons we took this place!

wub wrote: It takes more effort to move yourself and your bike outside in the real world than it would sitting on a stationary bike. Feel free to try this though...cycle 10km on a stationary bike, time how long it takes you, then try and complete 10km outside in the real world in the same time.

That's why I'm asking for tips on how to compare two different cardio workouts.

magma wrote:That's why I'm asking for tips on how to compare two different cardio workouts.

Try both and see which works for you.

wub wrote:

magma wrote:That's why I'm asking for tips on how to compare two different cardio workouts.

Try both and see which works for you.

Thanks for your input here, wub.

What I'm asking is how will I know which one "works"? As I said, both reduce me to a ball of sweat after around an hour... but it's not like I feel massive gains or losses from either since I'm just maintaining a level of fitness that I've had for over a decade; I just want to know that what I'm switching to takes an equivalent amount of fitness.

I.e. How much "distance" on a cross-trainer is equivalent to the same distance running? I've heard people say you should aim for 4x distance when biking compared to running... is that roughly the same for cross training?

magma wrote:

wub wrote:

magma wrote:That's why I'm asking for tips on how to compare two different cardio workouts.

Try both and see which works for you.

Thanks for your input here, wub.

Would've written more but I've got a protein shake to make.

Magma, here's a decent response that highlights some of the key differences between running on treadmills vs running outside:

http://www.runnersworld.com/beginners/h ... ng-outside

Guess the main point is that cycling/running on machines negates all the thousands of tiny variables that running outside gives you, it makes it a bit uniform. That is not necessarily a bad thing, it can just have different purposes.

Here's another piece that might answer some questions:

http://runnersconnect.net/running-train ... ng-easier/

These researchers compared oxygen consumption levels in a group of runners at a range of paces both overground and on a treadmill at a variety of inclines.

They found that a 1% incline offsets the lack of air resistance most accurately, leaving the physiological demands between overground running and 1% incline treadmill running similar.

Nice one! From the little treadmill running I've done, I definitely find it a bit easier than running on the street, but I think that might have a bit to do with how much easier it is to zone out. You're constantly watching out for people/obstacles on the street, but on the treadmill you can practically close your eyes and disappear into whatever music you're listening to.

I think maybe taking my heart-rate over a normalish outdoor run and then aiming for that sort of rate by fiddling with crosstrainer settings might be a good start. Definitely got to be kinder to my joints though... I sound like a rice krispies advert when I stand up.

I put on an amazing show today at the gym today.

When I went in for my third set of pull-ups, my left calf started cramping up so intensely that I collapsed to the floor, grunting and as my hand hit the floor, my callous tore, to make matters worse.

Completely fucked up the rest of my workout.

Genevieve wrote:I put on an amazing show today at the gym today.

When I went in for my third set of pull-ups, my left calf started cramping up so intensely that I collapsed to the floor, grunting and as my hand hit the floor, my callous tore, to make matters worse.

Completely fucked up the rest of my workout.

This sounds like my kind of workout